Remove Vote to Win

Discussion in 'Closed' started by GunzGaming, Apr 30, 2021.

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Remove vote 2 win

  1. yes. Explain why

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  2. no. Also, explain why.

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  1. benkrong
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    I was initially considering replying with logic but considering the intellectual capacity you’ve demonstrated so far, I’ll have to pass on that option.

    Nevertheless, thank you for contributing your opinions on this thread. We might disagree on this topic and that’s alright - I still wish you nothing but the best. We live in difficult times but I hope you cheer up a little!
     
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    I'm assuming they have, but I'm not staff. So I would love to be proven wrong, but there is a trend of random and undiscussed changes that are made every update so who knows what is coming next. I think it's fair of me to assume such things and I'm probably right. But dear God would it be awesome if it was actually even considered a topic of discussion in a gm meeting. We'll see.

    I made the thread so yea, I know why it was created. Thanks?

    Some people just wanted a GM to make a new discussion and sticky it. I was just telling them to chill, staff is gonna do it if they feel like it, asking to do it is pointless. I don't see anything wrong with that.

    This thread isn't pointless no matter how I feel about the odds of it's inception. Even if it never comes to fruition, this discussion is for information gathering and a good reference for possible solutions to the servers problems. Or a place to see people be petty and bicker over mushroom game. It's the Mapleroyals forum. Who knows what it'll be next.
     
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    When you have someone with no economic rigour whatsoever, and probably never actually studied economics, using half-assed analogies telling you that you don't have a basic understanding of economics, its a pain reading
     
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    There seems to be a lot of misconception about the scale of Hacking, RWT and Vote Abuse in this thread. I’ll give some brief explanation on how each are being handled below, but my personal opinion is actually that botting might be one of the more problematic issues, due to ever increasing techniques being used making it much more difficult to detect. Needless to say, this is something that we are trying our best to crack down on and continue to work on better detection for.

    Although we do not have a fully functional autoban, this does not mean that hackers are running rampant. We do have protections against a range of hacks, and a system that alerts us to suspicious activities not yet fully protected against. Our GM’s and Interns have been doing a great job keeping on top of hackers, there are even times when there are literally zero characters hacking (yes, we’ve tried warping to every character online to double check).

    RWT is being kept on top of to the best of our ability. This issue is of course not straight forward and often requires much investigation which can be time consuming, but we always want to make sure that we have as much confidence as possible when it comes to issuing bans. It is surprising how often we come across faked RWT on 3rd party websites which are actually attempts to get legitimate players banned. I would like to remind users that they can report RWT anonymously through the report abuse subforum and we are thankful for any tip offs and reports we receive (even if it’s just a hunch).

    Vote Abuse on the other hand is much easier to run checks on and issue bans with confidence. This is something that is being done frequently, and bans are constantly being issued to users abusing the system. So please do not vote abuse... You will get caught!
     
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    of course we take the feedback very seriously and I dislike the false assumption (imply or not) you are making about how the staff handles feedback. This topic was discussed internally long ago even before you made this thread. I personally like the concept of vote2win and it does increase the player stickiness to the server. I was self-banned for 6 months and voting every day is like a daily advertisement of royals to me!
    The problem is the vote abuser. If we have better approaches that detect vote abuser automatically with high confidence (ideally), then it would solve the major problems
     
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    I think you are reading wrongly about my previous comment

    As the thread starter, you made this thread cause you expected some form of changes to the raised issue - vote to win

    But if you suddenly changed your mind and said stuff such as "I'm pretty sure GM and admin have no intention on removing Vote2win at all", how can you expect the ones who have been supporting your suggestion (of removing vote to win) to continue to do so anymore?

    If you as the thread starter do not have any faith in your own suggestion, no one else will have faith in it

    Hope this clarifies things up
     
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    For my opinion Vote2win is not a bad idea. Every player can vote 8000NX/ 40m eveyr24hours is a good thing to help new player get the money to start their adventure without a rich friend's help.
    I am a normal player close to bottom . I don't have any 200 level character I don't have any armor have more than 5wa. The most expensive thing I have ever bought is MW20.
    Make a attacker have more than 20000HP is my dream. Make APR untradeable will only make this progress longer than 1 year .
    And unfair to new player who want a washed their character. I don't believe most people only use their own NX to buy APR to wash their character and not even buying a single APR from other player. .
    And Vote abuse is a problem need to be removed. Why would a person vote 2 time a day got the same punishment as a hacker or RMT?
    For my opinion the real problem is hacker who get their character level to 50 to vote and people who did RMT.
    Should we remove vote 2 win? I think no . This sever need vote to keep its life. If people don't want APR to become tool to RMT . Then maybe make APR can be bought in FM with meso like TP rock .
    Or make it need to play PQ like 3 times to buy gachapon ticket and APR?
    Many people got ban for vote abuse recently. My friend is one of them.
    He vote from his computer and phone almost every day. He didn't know the rule until he got permanent ban. He can't even make a new account cause it will be ban evasion.
    There is no second chance for people like us.
    We didn't know that vote every 24 hours is for a person not per account.
    What we know is Gtop100 say every 24 hours for every internet connection.
    We know that so we use 2 internet connection to vote 2 account .What we didn't know is mapleroyals and Gtop100 got different voting rule.
    I believe there is still some person didn't read the vote rule like My friend and I used to.
    I used to vote twice a day. Even I try to pretend it never happened and keep playing . I am still worry about someday a coaution will pop out say my account got blocked.
    My friend post the link to here.
    What I Expect to see is people discuss and try to Solve the problem. But What I see is that most people are like a group of rich people who don’t understand the suffering of the people who live at bottom.
    They seem to have forgotten how they climbed to such a high position. Fear that new players will cause their value of item to fall.
    I don’t see the hope that I can play this game with my friends again.
    Anyway if GM want to ban me then just go ahead. I don't have any reason to continue playing this game anymore.
     
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    Good thing you aren't a lawyer because you'd clearly be out of work with the 'you're stupid, i rest my case' argument. Though I guess this is what I should expect from the feedback thread, the 'I won' mentality, much like the mindset of a child.

    I am happy admins shared that the sometimes 0 hackers online are tearing apart our economy limb from limb though. And that our vote abuse issue is so big that all 6600 players really should bend over backwards for them right?
     
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    I think both things could still happen. I understand the casual arguments for the benefits of voting while unable to play, but to be perfectly honest there's nothing fair or sporting about that, you can't leave your snes on all week and rack up frog coins on smrpg.

    I think increasing gach tix prices in the cs over time while letting them drop from some mobs, and be rewarded from tokens of teamwork strikes a better balance, and this relationship could extend over time, cs gach tix increasing more over time, gach tix in game becoming more common as rewards.

    Obviously mages pose a big problem here if mobs can drop tix, so there needs to be some way gach tix are funneled out appropriately if they drop from mobs, like they only drop from mobs if the map is being actively hunted on for so long, more for active party play etc, def no tix from commonly leeched mobs/maps
     
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    What about those egg mobs with legs that have the audacity to always kick me off the ladders I'm climbing up? The ones where they always had a low chance of spawning on any map during Easter(?). We can give them a chance to drop gacha, and decrease the spawn rate tenfold.
     
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    Lol. And yeah something like that is a valid suggestion
     
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    LF> Share
     
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    I just want to point out the irony of you posting this, yet having Matt come and directly say that voting really isn't an issue, kind of election fraud really isn't......................hahaha
     
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    Lets be honest here, they wont remove Vote2Win, cause they are on GTOP 1, thanks to it.
    I think its not the right way, to nerf everything over and over again, giving the Old players a huge advantage.

    Its not the Vote2Win which ditched some of active player or its not the NLStory ; it was/is having no Autoban for longtime and the hard entry of creating any class, cause you had to redo, your character if you just started.
    This killed the PQ's which are normally, the socialize aspect in the early of the game.
    Everyone just washing and trying to get leech, at any level at any given Time...
    Mapleroyals ain't that bad, dont try to reinvent the Wall, i think this 9500HP by lvl 175 is a huge step forward

    *wheel not wall LUL
     
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    So you are saying anyone who disagrees with your opinion and voted against you is misinformed... sounds like a dictatorship to me
     
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    well, I am Cuban so...

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    I voted yes because:


    - AP resets cause players to gain high amount of mesos very easily and very fast, even new players. MapleStory used to be great, because you had to work for your mesos and items.
    - AP resets make players to vote abuse on multiple hidden accounts and use them to sell HP washed characters, sell them to players ( RWT ) etc.

    - Gachapon tickets are too easy to come by, flooding the whole market with CS / WS and easy to get ahead of other players with just few tickets. We already get more NX than other servers ( 8000 NX per vote ) and getting good gachapon stuff is pretty easy. Gachapon should be dropped by bosses or monsters + quests ( which will encourage players to do more questing, grinding etc ).

    - Gachapon is a major RWT issue too. Think about it. You vote abuse with 50 characters every single day, you go and gachapon with each and every one of them, gaining easy WS / CS + other stuff.

    This has already been implented on other servers, and it's been working excellent. Royals is one of the only servers that has major vote abuse / RWT issue, mostly because of AP resets and gachapon tickets.

    If not, then make gachapon / ap resets more expensive, or just give us less NX per vote. Maybe 3000 per vote should at least slow down RWT. 8000 is too ez man.. who the fk even suggested having 8000 nx per vote? Back in the days you had to buy NX, some servers give you little NX per vote. This server is such vote to win tbh.


    Just imagine someone vote abusing 50 accounts every day, that's already 400k. I'm pretty sure RWT:ers have more than 50 accounts, it's not actually that hard to level your account to level 50, most already have done this ages ago and still do, because of botting, hacking etc.

    What kind of idiot supports vote to win? Seriously? Major wipe should be done here.
     

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