Server rollback

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    But there's no way to prove you had that.

    That's the problem, and giving everyone mesos wouldnt fix the problem either. The only thing they can do is fix the issue so it doesn't happen again and give people some extra leveling potential.
     
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    Lol proof?
     

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    Come on don't be stupid. There's no time stamps, no records that the GM's can check, there is no proof.

    There's an incredible risk for people to scam the system if they were to start refunding items, and it's more fair no one gets the items they lost than the few who screenshotted theirs (sufficiently to prove they had it and lost it during the rollback).

    Everyone is in the same boat. All you can do is move forward and if people don't want to, then that's on them.
     
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    Somehow, I highly doubt you would be saying the same thing if you would lose this ST, or the 14/3 sock. It's typical human behavior - you don't care until it bites you in the ass.

    Now, I'm not saying that "we should refund all" since it seems like it's impossible to do.

    But the compensation should be...How I should say..."Reasonable"?
    I mean, no matter how you put this, 99.99% of us have lost more than a couple of mils.

    What 2x meso is gonna do? Make my pet loot 2m mesos instead of 1m? OMFG WOW TY I'M SO RICH NOW! HERE COMES MY 34 ATT CAPE! WOW TY!!!!!!111

    It's unreasonable. i even prefer nothing at all over this whole thing. It seriously looks like a sick joke or a huge troll. On top of that, it takes tons of time from the admins and the developer and instead of working on more important things like stores and fixing this dc issue, or even banning the hackers and the scammers they are now messing with this 2x meso thing for a couple of extra pennies. Guess what, these extra 10m won't do anything at all, only waste our time.

    I would suggest something between 300 to 500 gacha tickets. It is more or less reasonable than a few pennies and doesn't take forever and less complicated. It is better for all of us.
     
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    Not really. 300 to 500 gacha tickets is also to random and if this is given to every account / character, people with mass mules will win big time.

    2x exp wont solve problems but it does help with discontent and shows that they regret it and would like to compensate us, even if it isnt much. You weren't the only one lost items, yet others accept it (some). Why? Not because we aren't annoyed, but because there is nothing we can do to get the items back. Sometimes things suck and you cant do anything about it.
     
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    Please don't begin to assume to know what I have, what I value, or what I lost. I've got more accounts and more mules full of stuff than I can count and I took a hit just like everyone else, I just don't assume my loss is any greater than anyone elses and that I should get compensation that I feel is equal to what I lost, because hey that would just make me a pretentious asshole wouldn't it?

    How do you make it "reasonable" for everyone, when not everyone lost the same thing? The only fair way to go about it is give everyone in the game the same boost, which, mind you, won't affect the economy at all like 30-50 thousand gach tickets suddenly entering the market would. But @ your bolded part, if you don't use the 2x card, bam, they did nothing for you, or you could take the time and rebuild the wealth you lost. I know plenty of people who have recoup'd their losses, and then some within the first day because hey, they got all those gach tickets/NX back... or they didnt sit on the forums talking about it and did something about it.

    I understand some people had incredible luck with scrolling/gaching, but the server could literally do nothing. Instead, they're taking the time to say "hey sorry folks, here's a little something to get you by while we make more fixes to the server". It just seems inconsiderate to whine about it, again, considering this was server wide, EVERYONE was hit by the rollback. If there was a legit way to see WHAT people got and WHEN, across the server, I'd be okay with the GM's slowly refunding items, but hey, it won't happen, can't happen, so I'm going to bite the bullet and be thankful I can rescroll my z helm, a small win in the grand scheme of things, and move on.
     
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    Lol giving 300-500 gach tickets is a terrible idea for the economy. 2x exp and mesos is the only reasonable way to compensate us without ruining the game/economy. Many people took a loss including me, but most can move forward from it, because this is without a doubt the best classic server there is.
     
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    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/a-honest-feedback-about-this-whole-rollback-thing.93662/

    Read this thread and understand why nothing serious will happen to the economy.
     
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    NX was never given to the people during the server outage, you had to vote to get your NX. You are proposing that we just give everyone 300-500 tickets at once, which most likely would have a negative effect on the economy in the long run. We also had the 70 ticket limit for at least a month and not everyone voted consistently during all that server outage time.

    It's also about the principle of it all. There's a large number of people who didn't lose anything of value. How would we compensate each person, and where would the line be drawn? It's too complex to fairly compensate anyone with that idea and your first idea of doing nothing is probably better tbh.
     
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    Who needs time stamps.. I literally had it 5 hours or so before the roll back.....Also I wouldn't come out the blue saying I lost something Lol who lies about a 14/3 sock and perfect st.
     
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    People would though?

    You don't see the problem we'd have if you didn't need real proof of having something to have GM's just start spawning the items people claimed to have? What's stopping people from being like "Hey, I had found 6 perfect spartas at skeles!", "I CS'd my FS and gained 5 att!!!"

    I'm not unsympathetic, I'm just skeptical that people as a whole would be 100% honest about this if there's a potential for massive gains.
     
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    I still feel like it's a unfair compensation for people with bigger losses than losing an account......
     
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    Then how do you calculate the amount of loss? 10b for someone with 100b is aot. 10b for someone who prevuously had 100k is humongous.

    Someone who was waiting to play this game for multiple months because of account creation just created an account amd now it got deleted. Is his loss not just as big if he lost 10b?
     
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    Let's say they made ano account an only got to lvl Idk 30? you can easily get that back in a couple of hours. As for mesos takes days or hours.I'm talking about billions too.. By the way they are getting x2 exp as a compensation. ..What about mesos wise? 2x mesos isn't giving anything back.
     
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    Billions you can get in a few min. Just gachapon and hope for a perfect weap.... people who scrolled a godly item or gachaponned super lucky didnt lose anything. They got their scrolls refunded and they got their gachapon tickets back. If you want everyone to compensate everything, that means that some people who fucked up their chaos scrolls have to pay the chaos scrolls they lost. Maplestory has always been rng, just accept that you got unlucky this time. Could have just been as lucky if you got a chaos from the refunded gachapon and then you wouldnt have npced to be fair.

    Gms also cant compensate everything. They said sorry and compensated us as much as they thought would be fair.
     
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    Lol I'll donate when I get pro as a hero. Also when this server actually gets better
     

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