General Should banned players be given a second chance?

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Should banned players be allowed to make a new account?

  1. Yes, they should be able to make a new account.

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  2. Yes, but only after a period of time has passed.

    98 vote(s)
    49.0%
  3. No, they should not be allowed back on the server at all.

    59 vote(s)
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  4. I don't know/care.

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  1. grassblaster
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    Really ? you waited for an admin to answer my ban apeal, to reply to my comment. That is sad. I did not vote abuse. I do think that this would be an option to deal with people who abused the voting system. This would allow them to continue playing and to setop the drop in players, plus you remove their advantage and punish them by preventing them from gaining anymore nx.
     
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    I didnt even know your comment was for me. You didnt tag me. Was it for me?

    You give yourself too much credit. I only found one of your comments and tagged you with your ban appeal. I really dont give a shit about vote abusers like you.

    I do hope it is as you say and the GMs made a mistake banning you. Would be hilarious as fuck for this thread if you were really guilty of vote abusing.
     
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    I did reply to my comment after Tim told me that i did infact own all of those accounts and have been voting on them more than once a day.

    How exactly am i giving myself too much credit ?
     
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    good luck with your appeal
     
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    Well it was closed.
     
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    I do think that second chances should be given out, now more then before. After i got wrongfully permanently banned, i started to wonder how many more out there had their play time shorten by these bans that they didn't fully look into.

    There has been cases were people who had a permanent ban placed on them, had them removed because the admins somehow placed theur account name in the same list as the ones that they are looking into or has been flagged by an automated system.
    There is of course the time when they don't remove these wrongfully permanent placed bans on people, because they just don't feel like it.

    This will continue to happen since they are a very limited amount of people who deals with it. 2 people i believe. So yeah, to think that they will be lazy and not look into think fully, isn't that unbelievable.
    They are basically just throwing stuff around and seeing what sticks.

    I will say that even with a second chance, i don't know how many people would be willing to start over from fresh again. Especially if they were wrongfully banned, it would feel like a waste of time because you could just get randomly banned again.
    Starting over from fresh because you were hit by a wrongfull perma ban, would be very daunting and annoying. You lost everything that you worked so hard on to get and all of the hours spent on your character(s).

    Whilst a second chance would be nice, it would mostly be so for people who actually did break the rules and deserved the ban. I know i have seen more favourable to no second chances just because someone who spent countles hours in the game and having that basically nullified by these random none fully researched flags, pings or reports wouldn't really feel like coming back. I still has to say that having the option to start over fresh is still better than nothing.

    I first voted no to the poll, but after my false ban i changed it to yes because of the reasons above.
     
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    Supposed if you are wrongfully banned, what would 2nd chance gonna do though?

    What if you get wrongfully banned for 2nd time?
    3rd chance?
     
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    How do you know what is a wrongful ban or not? Do you have any examples of where a ban was proven to be wrongful and yet they account was never unbanned?

    Every ban appeal that is made gets looked into, if it's a simple case where the evidence is readily available to GM's (for example hacking videos, kill stealing, etc) then the ban appeal can most likely be answered quickly and confidently by a GM. If it is a more complex situation which may require some double checking of logs then it would be handled by an Admin - sometimes multiple Admins - and the information passed onto the GM to respond, or an Admin may respond themselves. We are not lazy, and bans which are appealed do actually get double checked, we don't just simply look at the ban reason given and give it again.
     
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    If you get wrongully banned and then unbanned, then it wouldn't count as a second chance beacuse the first ban wasn't for a legitamate reason.

    1. How do i know ? them getting unbanned and the gm saying so. Have you read the ban appeals ? you can find some there :).
    2.If they all gets looked into, then how does wrongful bans happen ?
    3. Why is a recheck required when someone makes an appeal if it was already thoroughly looked through ?
     
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    I work on the appeals myself and I don’t recall any. Would you like to provide a example to enlighten me please?
     
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    Whilst i could do that, i am just gonna go your route. I don't have to show you any proof. If you want to see any bans that were wrongfully placed, then might i recommend you to look through the ban appeals.
    You just gotta love how you are trying to deny that you have ever placed any bans by mistakes. As i said, if you wanna see them , just have a look throught the ban appeals.
     
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    Should there be any wrongful bans, the Staff will review and amend accordingly such as lifting the ban

    As mentioned by you, you can check through the Ban Appeals for such cases
     
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    Would love to get back on track, this thread isn't about wrongful bans. This is for people who if they got a second chance, wouldn't abuse it and if it outweighs the negatives.
     
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    They didn't deny their mistakes. They unbanned players after checking all the information and evidence.
    People who claimed they got false banned doesn't mean it actually is true, because the evidence showed opposite.
    GMs also show enough information in ban appeals, so it's pretty clear to see how and why people got banned.
    You should check the ban appeals.

    Examples of false positive banned, temporary banned, permanent banned:
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.195493/#post-1150875
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.203531/#post-1205301
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/blocked-or-deleted.204286/

    I would forgive the temporary ban for minor harm to the server and community.
    But I wouldn't want to give permanent banned players second chance because they clearly abusing the game and system to gain good amount of advantage.

    It will only increase the corruption to the server and community, and I believe players who follow the rules will lose faith to this server and community.

    I respect all the lawful players and I forgive the minor abusers.
    I'll never want to play with those permanent banned players,
    I don't care how strong or how rich they are, I'll never want to play with those active players who already knew but still get benefits from RWTers, hackers, vote abusers friends. (Those active players are worst than rule breakers)
     
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    You say that you would forgive people yo have gotten temp ban but not people who has gotten a permanent ban. What if that permanent banned was wrongfully placed ? Let's say the admins removed it after looking into it, would you still hate those people ? According to you, yes you would.
     
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    This thread is not about false positive banned and I already made it clear.

     
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    I know exactly what this thread is about.
     
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    I've deleted several recent posts in this thread. Keep the discussion on topic. Any further derailment will result in warning points.
     
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    I think you have your difficulties, which I understand very well.

    In fact, it's like a job. Sometimes you just walk according to the rules, and sometimes there is not so much room for turning around.
    I don't care whether my account can be lifted.

    I'm glad to see different voices on this issue.

    This is the best situation. After all, when there is only one voice in the whole community, People don't respect each other. That's the worst

    And, man, calm down. It's just a game, and then you're just trying to discuss whether a rule is feasible. There's no need to be so aggressive.
     
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    @Matt
    yes i have example i was wrongfully banned for suspect rwt I gave all the details and information on where my funds came from and despite everything tim keep me banned
    i send u countless of private msg last few weeks about my case And you did not refer or answer me even once
     
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