Telecasting and Rotations

Someone in-game this morning requested me to put up my Petri rotations so here it is. Tbh, I don't have a very strict rotation to follow in Petri. I just prefer not to change lanes often, similar to @PurePoisonXD video before. From my video, you can see that the number of teleports I executed from left to right and right to left is not fixed nor is there any pattern to it. I just try my best to avoid delays between blizzards.

After some math, the difference between mine and @PurePoisonXD is 19 Petri for that 3 minutes, which is a negligible number considering the fact that both of us made a lot of imperfections such as failing to telecast, starting 1-2 seconds later on the clock (missing out 1 blizzard/meteor), telecasting at the less efficient spots (around the center of the map) so it's hard to tell which is actually superior.


This telecasting isn't ideal since I've had more than a couple of hiccups.

Also, if anyone is comfortable with showing your Ulu1 rotations, please do so. It is one hard map to get around because of the slopes. Don't be shy, we're all here to give the best to the buyers (or ourselves if you're self leeching)

 

After searching "telecast" and "telecasting" on this forum, I'm left with no results besides this thread. Do you mind teaching people how to telecast, your keyboard set up, etc? Youtube and Google comes up with nothing. Thanks

 

Telecasting 101:

A. Put Genesis/Meteor/Blizzard and Teleport on two keys that you can easily press at the same time with one hand. You can do it with two hands but its a bit more difficult. (What I personally recommend is having Genesis/Meteor/Blizzard on Ctrl and Teleport on Shift. If your keyboard is similar to mine, you'd have all your arrows keys, Ctrl, Shift and Alt (For jump) on the right side making you able to telecast and move around the map with one hand, but that's just my preference.)

B1. This way is easier to control if you're not used to telecasting, or even useful when you're trying to telecast without moving on your initial teleport.
Hold your Up key, then press Genesis/Meteor/Blizzard and Teleport at the same time.

B2. You cover more distance with this method but you have to pick a direction to go in before telecasting, and if you fail it, you could end up in a not ideal place to telecast as you would have most likely moved from your initial spot.
Pick the direction you want. As soon as you press Up, Left or Up, press Genesis/Meteor/Blizzard and Teleport at the same time.

* From personal experience with my keyboard, you don't exactly press them at the same time. Teleport is pressed a millisecond before Meteor and more pressure is applied to Teleport, but for the sake of simplifying things, I usually just tell people to press them at the same time.

 

my question is how do u guys get your tp to continue...i can do a tp+gen at same time, but then my animation of the gen continues and i cant move or tp again until it finishes, thus not allowing me to telecast what soever lol

 

I think this is very well explained. Ctrl Shift is actually a common combination. I personally put my Blizzard at D and teleport at V. I know people who put their combination around the Del and End button.

It's all about comfort actually. Find out what suits you best.

Aha! As long as you cannot teleport, the telecast failed. Look at the videos that some of us posted. You'll notice the failure really easily! It's really all about timing. After getting used to the timing, then muscle memory kicks in. The type of kryboard you use does affect your success rate. But with practice, it should still produce the same result.

 

Off-topic but nice to see you here

 

Do I know you?

 

Not sure if you'd recognize me, but I've been around on Basil years ago where in 2013-15 I posted and maintained the largest F/P guide ever (which has since been killed by the basilmarket revamp). I've been playing Maple since 2008 and you pop up all the time

 

Ohhh, interesting! I don’t really remember about any guides but I did indeed used to spend a lot of time on Basil . Nice seeing a fellow Basiler here. o/

 

How much do all of you charge for 1 hit split Petri telecast leech? I tried charging 80m but people complained that it's too expensive T_T Since it is so tedious to do for 1 hour straight (don't even get me started on 2 hours) it should honestly be more expensive than regular leech prices

 

I've tried charging prices of every kind before but I'll let you know how the current situation is right now. Ever since HT came out, obviously there will be more mages 1 hitting Petri so that's already competition. To keep yourself in the game, it is only natural that you would compete by lowering your prices.

To be very honest, I have been quite unsuccessful lately in finding buyers because of the price I charge (154/79) on my lower level mage while easily finding buyers on my lv200 mage (119/60). I tried my best convincing them that my level does not matter much, mathematically wise I am charging cheaper exp/meso rate, telecasting has a huge impact etc. Majority of the time, I get shunned. Of course it is frustrating and some people even call me a rip-off, a retard, a scammer and even calling me a noob since I was 1 hitting Petri at lv156 while a lv135 mage can 1hit Petri (then later finding out that the lv135 dude gives 150%/hr for a lv110 split).

But whenever a buyer is convinced by my leech, they'll tend cling onto me (it gets annoying at times) or look out for telecasters thereafter. I tried telling them that they should watch the exp they gain per hour so as to find out who should they continue buying from. The real determining factor buyers should know is how much exp they gain per hour and not look at the exp gain per mob. It is rather difficult to convince the whole world that your price is linearly just as fine as those who charge lower. If you are consistent as well and know how much exp or % per hour you give to buyers according to their level, you could make it known to them e.g. 300% for 1 hour for a lv105 split, 150% for 1 hour for a lv120 split. By doing this they can easily compare with what they received in their previous hour since it is still fresh in their memory.

Some reasons as to why they choose not to buy your leech...
-The price you charge. The first digit '8' can already be a turn off.
-Not knowing what telecasting is. They'll just judge your price based on their average experience and not their potentially best experience.
-Level is everything to them. It is likely that they would rather get a lv160 mage 1 hitting Petri than a lv180 mage 1 hitting Petri who telecasts.
-Ulu2 to Petri price point is a huge leap. For almost all leech places, they are price at 35-45m while at Petri, a sudden jump to 70-80m can be quite intimidating.

Given some reasons above, maybe you could lower your price such that it is high enough but also successful enough to find buyers, just got to weigh it.

Edit: Oh btw, I don't believe that doing longer hours = charging more because as time passes, the seller tends to grow tired and being less efficient. It's only natural.

I for one chose not to shortchange myself and stubbornly kept my prices high.

 

Any of you have a specific exp/hour you get when telecasting and not telecasting at petris? I did a few tests on my i/l with my own rotation and got at most 5% more exp (~100m/hour not telecasting and ~105m/hour telecasting), which interestingly seems to be a much smaller increase than what im hearing/reading others are getting. I dont know if im just bad at telecasting or if others are bad at non-telecasting, but atleast i never bothered constantly telecasting just for an extra 5% an hour and find it wierd how people charge more/want to only buy from telecasters etc.

 

I'll give you a first hand comparison if you could wait the next 80 days till my ban is lifted. Jokes aside, if any of the guys here who worship telecasting could volunteer giving your numbers to @Martin it will be great.

Also, the observation I gave on the original post was obtained by asking countless people. It has been quite a habit for me to ask my buyers what their starting/ending exp was so I think it is accurate for me alone. Not surprisingly, there are numbers given by another person on this thread that show close resemblance to the exp I give to my buyers. I am very used to the exp I gave using my lv200 mage oppose to my lv150~ mage. My lv200 mage was definitely doing far better than back when I was lv180 non-telecasting.

My sincere apologies for not being able to answer your question immediately or as soon as possible but that's the best qualitative explanation I can offer as of right now.

The general idea however is that telecasting is 1.2 to 1.25 times better than non-telecasting.

Therefore the prices that seemingly greedier players (like myself) go for are 10m~ higher than standard pricing (e.g. 70 vs 80) which is 1.1-1.15 higher as oppose to giving 1.2 to 1.25 times the average exp leeched. Of course there are those who claim to be lower levels (130-140)+1 hitting+telecasting and charging rates like 180/90 or so, are quite an anomaly since they are a rare breed and beyond all my observations combined.

 

Another reason to consider would be that even if they know what telecasting is. There is no assurance that the seller who claims that they can telecast is able to pull it off consistently enough for it to be worth it.

From a buyer's point of view, the problem that I'm trying to solve is to get from my current lvl/exp to the next leeching map in the shortest amount of time. Since leeches are usually sold in hours. Getting there 3.5 hrs or 3.8 hrs is essentially the same, it'll only be worth paying a slight premium if the leech can save me an hour of leeching in total.

Of course there are other things that would make me consider paying a higher price. Lack of sellers, reputable sellers, lack of time, longer hours (if i were to afk for a long period).

The best signal that a seller can give, is the assurance to hit a certain lvl/exp by the end of the leech. That's is where the true value is at. This will require the buyer to know what an average hr leech would give them at their current level, and also the seller to be experience enough to know what he/she can provide. Claiming that you can telecast will not be enough unless you're famous for it. If you really want to charge more, tell them that you can gaurantee to give them more and will save them money to get to their goal.

 

Hey! Sorry I took awhile to respond to this, but I've been pretty curious about this as well since it gets pretty tiring selling long hours of telecast Petri leech. Occasionally when I'm feeling tired/lazy, I choose to sell non-telecast (or "whenever I feel like it telecast"), and I found that my buyers still said the xp was really good.

Here is a video of me doing 3 minutes at Petri not telecasting at all. This was the first take and it felt pretty brainless as I was just rotating around casting Blizzard whenever I saw a large group of mobs.
The math is done in the video but my starting xp was 38,367,941 and the ending xp was 42,502,981. The net gain ends up being 4,135,040 xp.


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If I compare this to @Venin's 3 minutes of telecast he starts at 119,844,738 xp and ends at 124,096,322 xp. This is a net gain of 4,251,584 xp. (This is a ~2.8% increase compared to the xp in my video)

I also took numbers from @PurePoisonXD's 3 minutes of telecast . He starts at 390,433,884 xp and ends at 394,408,828 xp. This is a net gain of 3,974,944 xp. I found this to be extremely surprising because he telecasts almost flawlessly, yet he gains less xp than when I was not telecasting.

Confused by this I actually did a few recordings of 3 minute telecasting myself, and found that I generally got around the same net xp gains (~4-4.2m xp). I haven't posted these as I'm a bit lazy to render and upload another video, and I feel like it'll just be redundant since Venin and PurePoison have already posted them.

Now, by posting this I'm not trying to invalidate telecasting by any means. In fact, I still think that from self-leeching my alts on other maps (Teddies, Wraiths, ULU2 come to mind) that telecasting can be far superior in xp gain in comparison to non-telecasting. But at Petri, now I'm not so sure. I hope someone else can run some tests as well to confirm/disprove my findings. Also it's 4am here so hopefully someone can check my math to make sure I didn't make any silly mistakes. Thanks for reading!

 

Three necessary conditions for a good petri leech:

1. Do not go to the top and bottom platforms to pick up stuff. Only rotate between middle 2 platforms.
2. Do not go to the small platforms on the left. Instead, hit those mobs at the left edge of the large platforms.
3. Pay attention to spawns. Cast in regions where spawn is dense.

After doing the 3 things above, I usually find that EXP is already good, and telecasting gives little improvement (5%) on top of that.

When some telecasting petri sellers advertise 30%-40% EXP gain over regular petri leech, they are probably comparing against sellers who don't follow the 3 conditions above. That is rather misleading, since majority of the EXP gains do not come from telecasting. What's worse, if a telecasting seller violates the 3 conditions above, then his / her telecasting leech may be worse than average. I have read about such complaints in some telecasting petri selling threads.

This is why I charge normal prices (65M/H split at time of writing) for my telecasting petri leech.

 

It looks like telecasting at Petri specifically does not show a significant margin relative to non-telecasting. After realisation, the exp numbers gotten upon request from buyers most of the time come from unknown/ non-reliant/ slow mages. With that said, it is quite understandable why Petri does not show a significant difference. The fact that the map is comparatively bigger than most prominent leech maps from the lowest of levels to the highest (GS, Sage Cats, Teddies, Wraiths like what @qookies mentioned).

With that said, there is an easy differentiation here. The maps which are generally bigger and more of a hassle to move around like Ulu1 and Petri may not show a significant difference while the flatter maps tend to show a big one (ulu2 especially as shown by me and @PhotonSphere ). I think it is also too early to generalise this differentiation just because there are only limited videos on ulu2 and none for other flat maps but this is my hypothesis.

Sorry to disappoint those who've relied on petri telecasting but it almost clearly seems that whether or not you do it, there is not much of a difference. It has a lot more to do with which mages chose to prioritise giving you better exp and not which mages chose to do telecasting. In my defence, I'd like to compare myself and my pricing against the common numbers gotten from my buyers because only a handful do exceptionally well in Petri maps due to the multiple conditions mentioned by @PhotonSphere .

Going back to my point on the difference between flat and not so flat maps, I still believe there should be significant difference between telecasting and non-telecasting which we probably need to look into to prove or debunk my assumption. Also, I'd like to emphasise again that buyers should be aware of who they are buying from as I've also heard of people who claim to be telecasting and worse than this ,

they lied about doing the technique and not using it at all throughout the hour.

That is all from me for this. Bummer

 

"The act of “telecasting” is no longer possible."

Thanks to nerf this class

 

I'm curious why they chose to get rid of telecasting... was it actually considered as a glitch?

 

Telecasting was removed because it was an unintended feature and wasn't a thing in gMS as well