Telecasting and Rotations

RIP telecast. Back to normie casual teleport and cast...

 

Oh ok, Thanks for the clarification Yan,

So the main difference compared to HP washing (Arguably unintended) is that it wasn't possible to telecast back in GMS? Or was it not popular back then, because the same argument could be done for HP washing.

 

Was considering a bug but like Matt say:
"I don't wanna turn Royals in to GMS" l0l

 

I think one good thing about removing telecasting is that it is far easier to differentiate the better sellers and also avoid soft scamming (those who claim to telecast and never do it).

Also, to keep the thread on topic and maintain its relevance, I'll find out the EXP gains per hour in popular maps (when I'm unban of course) or anyone else who is interested to show the numbers can also do it. By doing so, it'll still serve the purpose of letting buyers know who's worth paying for and who isn't.

I'll edit the thread later since I'm in school.

 

RIP, and i was just getting to enjoy my mage again

 

Aaaanddd we back

 

Ez 100% telecast.

 

@qookies said telecasting doesn't make much difference in Petrifighters. The evidence was a 3-minute non-telecasting video that yielded similar amount of EXP as @PurePoisonXD 's and @Venin 's telecasting sessions. I agreed with @qookies at that time, because I had the same telecasting rotation as @Venin and @PurePoisonXD .

However, recently I discovered a new telecasting rotation that is quite a bit faster than all rotations above.



Setup:

• Same as @qookies , @Venin , and @PurePoisonXD , I get 14560 EXP per petrifighter kill.
• The session is 3-minute long. I started my session at 00:08 and ended my session at 03:08. You can check it in the video timers.

Results:

• I started with 0 EXP and ended with 4,935,840 EXP. My net gain is 4,935,840 EXP.

• @Venin 's telecasting session started with 119,844,738 EXP and ended with 124,096,322 EXP. His net gain is 4,251,584 EXP. Mine is 16.09% faster.

• @qookies ' non-telecasting session started with 38,367,941 EXP and ended with 42,502,981 EXP. His net gain is 4,135,040 EXP. Mine is 19.36% faster.

• @PurePoisonXD 's telecasting session started with 390,433,884 EXP and ended with 394,408,828 EXP. His net gain is 3,974,944 EXP. Mine is 24.17% faster.
  • @PurePoisonXD is a better telecaster than me. His EXP fell behind a bit because he didn't hit mobs on the left smaller platforms. If he moves further left on his left-side castings, his EXP gain should be on par with @Venin 's.

• The difference may be less significant over an hour of leech, since it's hard to keep optimal efficiency over the entire hour. However, after trying both for a couple of hours, I do find the new rotation to be consistently faster than previous ones.

Ideas behind this rotation:

• Do not go to the top and bottom platforms, as that slows down the leech dramatically. All rotations in this thread follow this principle.
  • For sellers, if you frequently go to the top and bottom platforms to pick up stuff, then you should not advertise your leech as fast, even if you telecast.
  • For buyers, if you see your seller spending a lot of time on the top and bottom platforms, then you are not getting the best leech.

• Instead of doing Left - Right - Left - Right casting, I do Left - Left - Right - Right casting.
  • Synchronizing with spawn timer is important in this rotation. Ideally I want the spawn to happen right before I telecast. If this is not the case when I start, I can synchronize either by waiting for the spawn timer, or skipping the in-place casting in the middle.
  • Since I only need to telecast 50% of the time in this rotation, it is less tiring than 100% telecasting, and it's easier to catch spawn timers.

• Switch between the middle 2 platforms whenever the spawn in my current platform decreases noticeably.
  • For example, if I am at the 2nd-from-bottom platform and there are few mobs, then the topmost platform should have a lot of mobs. I can get a lot more EXP by switching to the 2nd-to-top platform.
  • Switching from top to bottom can be done with 1 teleport, sometimes even in the middle of telecasting. Switching from bottom to top will take a bit of time, but the effect is minimal if I squeeze it in the middle of spawn timers.

Here I would like to apologize for saying telecasting only gives 5% - 10% extra EXP in petri leech. This rotation shows telecasting can be 20% faster than the best known non-telecasting rotation in Petrifighters.

 

Updated and Added the work of art ^

 

tbh, it's not a good test for only 3 minutes.
Compared to an 1-hr test, your uncertainty will become 20 times.
I think a test for 30-40 minutes will be a convincing test.

 

Disclaimer mentioned by him

A 40-min test is doable but unrealistic since we have to do some editing to cut the video short. (A video is best to represent the rotations)

The results of the video is a good enough impact since the rotation goes on for 3 minutes. If there is a noticeable significance between all 3 minute videos, there is a significance in all 1hr leech.

 

Yes, that's why I suggest you do 30-40 minutes because you potentially overestimated the efficiency.

 

I think you don't need to make the video to prove it.
2 ss are enough.
(I'm wondering how good the efficiency is, too.)

Edit:
And also, I expect Bishops' efficiency will be a little better than (low level) Mages'.
I can't test this by myself cuz I can't 100% telecast.

 

Here is the 30-minute video per your request.



Over 30 mintues (ten 3-minute sessions), my total EXP gain is 47,756,800, which averages to 4,775,680 EXP per 3-minute session.

This is 3% less than the 4,935,840 EXP gain in my previous 3-minute video, possibly due to the following reasons:

• I need to buff myself during the 30-minute video (MW, Booster, Meditation, and MG). On the other hand, there is no need to buff during the 3-minute video, since all buffs last longer than 3 minutes.
• Usually the map hasn't been hit for a long time before each video starts, so the spawn during first few gen / meteor / blizzard is very dense. This bias has a larger effect on one 3-minute session, compared to 10 sessions.

As I expected, the average EXP gain over 10 sessions is slightly less. It's not fair to compare it against 1-session statistics of other rotations, since those rotations probably yield less average EXP over 10 sessions as well. However, I did the comparisons anyway:

• My 10-session average compared to @Venin 's 1 telecasting session: 4,775,680 v.s. 4,251,584, 12.32% more
• My 10-session average compared to @qookies ' 1 non-telecasting session: 4,775,680 v.s. 4,135,040, 15.49% more

 

Thank you for taking the time to do this @PhotonSphere ! This thread is nothing without your inputs. Looks like the new standardized way making comparisons have to be based on half an hour long rotations to avoid overexaggeration as mentioned by @MushroomYoYo .

I'm still waiting for the day I'm unbanned from my impulsive decision to self ban so that I can contribute for other maps as well. Furk -.-

 

Thx for your test.
It might prove: the buyer can get 47.8 m/hr at most in solo mage leech.
You made me know more about mages' effciency now.

 

I don't get why 3 spot tc at ulu2 is better than 2 spot tc. With the 2 spot you kill every single mob before the next spawn. Care to explain? : )

 

I don't have any explanation I can give without numbers, so I'll experiment 30minutes for both techniques as soon as I can and give you the numbers. Too lazy to record, so whatever method you saw @PhotonSphere and I did in Ulu2, I'll use it.

 

I didn't manage to hit mobs on the far left and far right in my ULU2 2-spot TC. Maybe Venin will be able to position better than me and hit those mobs in a 2-spot rotation.

The difference between 2-spot and 3-spot rotations is very small, and can be explained by hitting 1 - 2 fewer mobs at far left / right in some casts.

 

I've been 2-casting at ulu since 2016 and never found a faster way (that's my experience though). If you don't cast immediately when possible and just tele 1 extra time, you can hit everything like 90% of the time.

At petri you can 3 spot tele when you tele down but 2-cast, spawn, 2-cast is better imo. You just control the spawn alot better and you hit alot more mobs every single cast. What do you think?