v86 Skill Tables

gMS is a bit different to Royals. In royals it's hard to find a Bishop to train with at skeles, so levelling as a Shadower is extremely difficult, leading to a lot of meso explosion. Since tanking bigfoot isn't an option without quite a bit of washing. Also at bigfoot, you are slower than other attackers and you use a lot of mesos, giving you a massive disadvantage. I think you will need to have a first hand long-standing experience of Shadower life on royals to understand the views of other shadowers that want this buff.

 

I have a long-standing experience of playing shadowers without having a bishop to leech me at skeles and life before having bigfeet to kill and leveled up to 4th job levels playing as a CB back before 4th job was even a thing, so I'm well aware that shadowers have weaknesses. But my comment still stands that I think the advantage to playing shadower is their fun level.

 

Should another poll be put up (since some people voted no as a troll/on accident) or is this sufficient enough to make this a thing?

 

You haven't really explained how shadowers be less enjoyable to play with these buffs?

You just stated that with these patches, shadowers will get stronger. But shadowers will still be shadowers, you will still be able to enjoy your class and have an extra boost. It's not like you will NOT be-able to have fun with your shadower just because it does more damage.

You stated:

Here you have a misunderstanding. Shadowers will not be SUPER strong. They are just receiving a slight damage boost and range boost ONLY ON MOBBING SKILLS and a lesser delay on bstep. You will still be able to enjoy your class.

I know that some shadowers argue that combo'ing will be less fun with a shorter delay on bstep, but that is opinionated. I know it can be very nostalgic, but like the original post said.

Spoiler: Nostalgia

Some people enjoy the delay and some don't. But right now, you can't really choose. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DELAY. But if the delay is shortened, you can still choose to combo or not. You have a CHOICE, you aren't forced to spam bstep. Also, the decease on delay seems like one of the harder things to code, so maybe it won't even happen, but you might only receive some of the other buffs, like a damage increase on Band of thieves.

And yet again, i'm going to mention that I think you need to experience being a shadower on Royals first, because every active shadower i've seen has complained or quit. Only exception being Riku (pre-bb)

Also:

Unlike when you did play maple, we DO have bigfoot, and it's not something shadowers can really avoid, since it does give the most exp in the game. So if you want to level competitively you have no choice but to do bigfoot, and without washing or doing bigfoot really slowly, ME is the only option, which everyone knows is NOT ENJOYABLE TO LEVEL WITH. Unless you want to stick with skeles from 120-200, which is also not enjoyable and VERY slow without a bishop

 

They will be more enjoyable IMO. Boomerang Step with a lower delay... That's heaven, and a lot more fun to play, frankly! We will finally be able to do some somewhat decent mobbing!

I would also like to add some more arguments in favor of Shadowers specifically:

1. As Ty said, being a Shadower right now is very monotonous and expensive. Your best shot at training fast is killing Bigfoots, or, later on, Zakum, too.

2. Your only alternative right now is leeching, which is boring, time-consuming and expensive, too, when you pay for it. The only fun part of a Shadower is bossing, really, at the moment, which is expensive.

3. With Boomerang Step having a shorter delay (I think the v86 delay is 850ms instead of 1500ms? Not sure on that one.), you will get mobbing capabilities, which come to good use in maps like ToT. This will add more variety to your training as a Shadower, no matter if v72 or v86, and will also boost the market for Shadower equips (Daggers and Dragon Khanjars, which currently have no market at all due to the lack of active Shadowers. I think there's 3 or 4 people who have a Shadower as main, being myself (Linyah), Ray (Desensitized), Herb and Cifer).

 

Will Dark Knight's Berserk buff up?

 

Well the holy nerf from e-staffs and wands would be nice.

 

Please check this thread: http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=7145&highlight=Elemental.

Since this thread is growing by the minute. Please everyone, stay on topic, the title says it all.

 

yes.. it's not really that hard to find either f3, all you had to read was the skill tables on the first page..

This was discussed while switching to to v83 with the wipe, and it was voted to a NO (pushed forward mainly by Kat at the time).
It will be an even more NO now, especially since bishops like me have already scrolled Ele wands.
& I do think this is sort of on topic because this was implemented by v86.

 

Still voting NO to that now! And as you say, plenty of Bishops have scrolled Ele wands. We also don't have and I'm sure aren't getting those Visitor weapons (sorry, can't remember exact name and am really tired atm) suitable for lukless bishops, nor even the lvl 77 Maple Weapons. Nerfing Bishops and leaving them using lvl 64 weapons and selling ele wands that very few people want wouldn't achieve anything positive for other classes, but would be a kick in the teeth to Bishops.

I think nerfing any classes would be a NO for me.

 

Haha exactly!
Using the 130 wand with the damage reduction is probably even better than a level 64 wand for a bishop. That's how badly they would get nerved.

 

Nerf bishops, their are plenty of doomsday staffs and pyogo mushrooms out their. A little luk never hurts. Besides bishops can be godly with a well scrolled staff. Also the fixes for both v72 and 86 are nexon's best patches in my opinion. Just don't add cygnus knights . We do need ToT, lots of books that drop and an alternative place for everyone to train. Leafre gets pretty boring.

 

The point of this thread was to discuss the pros and cons of upgrading the skills of the underpowered classes. If you want to talk about nerfing Bishops, could you please do so on another thread, preferably on a different forum? Thanks.

 

I thought it was for balancing the classes? This is what makes me angry sometimes, everything ends up in a boost. Ofcourse that's what most people want. We all know what happens when you make things too easy.

 

No the point of the thread was to discuss v86 skill tables.
By the way, when Ele wands did have the nerf in GMS, they had timeless/reverse weapons from events and level 77 maple staff/VIP weapons/Crimson weapons to balance out the bishop classes, not leave them to use pyogo mushrooms. In royals we have neither timeless nor reverse equipment. And balancing jobs will hardly make the game too easy.

 

Could I point out that since classes like Shadower or Marksman are underpowered, giving them a boost is actually by relation taking away the boost from other classes?

There are two ways of making them balanced, it's just that the former is preferable for being less damaging to people who have invested so much in their gear/class.

 

sairs

 

Corsairs can throw out a shitton of damage, and are great for bossing... And I'm guessing the v86 Skill Tables might help fixing some Pirate skills, too.

Btw, can I change my vote? :3

 

yes niib we shall have a minute and a half cooldown

 

I think we should add the ultimate cooldown that was introduced too for all mage classes, the idea of having a spammable mapwide super attack just doesn't make sense to me.