Why HP washing should not be changed. VERY SIMPLE! LAZY PLAYERS HATE THIS!!!!

Leeching is indeed a different beast that comes with hp washing and will prevail without it. I believe once the hp rework (if there is ever any) comes, next thing would be to buff pq exp, buff farming pt experience and nerf afk leechers . maple royals has many problems causing this but are being ignored for petty reasons. This server could be great again but changes need to be made.

 

Washing is not broken, so there's nothing to fix. And nobody forces you to do it. Bossing is still possible without washing

 

I do not agree with you at all.
Believe it or not, there are many like me who does not care about being the top dps and just want to play their favourite class because its their favourite. Lucky me, my class is the easiest to wash. Sadly for my friend, his is the hardest to wash.
Some of the new players in-game, like myself, find that hp washing is sort of out of reach. Very much depending on the class they want to play. Many like me also really dont want to level a Mage just to be able to play what they came back for.
I am all for putting in the work in the characters you create and play. I like that and I dont complain about it. What I dont like is the enormous handicaps you practically need to overcome just to be able to later on in the game enjoy your favourite class at what it may be best at and the fact that if you dont wash you might not be able to enjoy late game content.

 

You do not need to play a mage. You don't realistically need to do anything different to get max hp. You just need to WAIT a little bit of time, because the end game goals shouldn't be given so easily.

I have explained that with consistent voting over a year or so alongside playing for fun and casual, eventually you can make an attacker class. If you want it faster, you need to grind for it. It is entirely possible to play this game without using mesos for AP Resets.

Up until now, it still sounds like people are just too lazy or something about putting in the time for it.
I just did the math, 365 days in a year, if you vote every single day you can come out with 929 AP Resets.
You can get 2.5 AP Resets a day. As far as im concerned, no washing takes this many resets.

So realistically, playing this game for ONE YEAR will guarantee you having enough AP resets to wash a character of your choice. If damage is not your concern, this should be enough no?

Theres the issue here with people having to remake their characters. Ok sure, but since you have to wait a year ANYWAYS to get all your AP for free, why not make a mage and just play for fun, grind your gears by farming the items you want or need
Perfect craven, perfect nisrock etc.

So now im still wondering. Are people just lazy? Theres options for less intense players to get to the same place everyone else is.
You can do it without spending almost any money at all if you really enjoyed playing this game for fun and nostalgia, it should be easy.

But to me, it seems like this:

1. I don't wanna have to remake
2. I don't wanna have to wait 1 year to make an attacker
3. I don't wanna have to make a mage first.
4. I don't wanna spend so much NX on AP resets
5. I don't wanna farm mesos to buy AP resets.

So what do you think is reasonable to do? Give everyone free HP for questing, for leveling up to 120, and getting a medal?
But you're still going to have to wash some. The medal won't be a free 10k hp medal.
Or, if we add more hp from mp it would still have to need washing.
Make AP Resets buyable from NPC? Doesn't really solve the idea that HP washing is expensive and stupid?
What else is there? Remove it completely and nerf boss damage? But what about the people who already washed?

I'm sorry but I seriously can only see that people want it faster and easier, and it should not be like this. And if we keep heading into this direction, what is the point of even being a v62/v83 server? HP washing was a core BUG of this time, which was ONLY fixed in later patches.

If we remove HP Washing or make it so easy, everyone and their mothers will be attacking bosses. People will be making 4-5 NLs and BMs and mules and w/e to farm HT which will cause an economic disaster.

This server isn't even bad lol.

 

Does this mean you actually think:
1. It's totally okay that some people effectively have to quit/scrap their characters because they discovered the gimmick of HP washing late
2. It's totally reasonable to lock out several classes from players from the get-go unless they want to progress with a severe disadvantage
3. Everyone should have to start as a mage for funding, a class they may or may not like

Also, not everyone who disagrees with you is "lazy". That's a pretty pathetic way to argue your point.

 

Nothing wrong with HP washing or Leeching. My point is:

 

Nobody has yet to give me an answer to the way I see view this topic:

"MapleRoyals culture and meta is drastically different than pre BB GMS. Comparing MapleRoyals to Pre BB GMS is like comparing an apple to a toaster with an apple sticker on it.

Yes leeching exist, and hp washing exist in GMS, but percentage of the player base that does leeching and hp washing, and how much they do leeching and hp washing is night and day compared to MapleRoyals.

I played Pre BB for no less than 4 or 5 years, and I have yet to meet a single person walking around with 200~400 INT base doing double and tripple wash that requires thousands of AP reset. That is fairly common on MapleRoyals.

Is that extreme HP washing "necessary"? No, it simply degrades the quality of game play relatively speaking comparing between a well washed character that doesnt need HB to boss to a non washed or normal washed character that needs HB.

As you know DC is an issue in MapleRoyals, and happened a lot more frequent than GMS. Your quality of game play decrease for you or other people play with you if you DC during the boss run. If you're HB and other people need HB to survive, you just destroyed the entire run. If you are SE, Seduce, or Bishop, you increase the length and lowered the success rate of completing the run.

MapleRoyals started off with exactly like GMS 5 years ago, almost every boss party has HB, but over time player base at MapleRoyals as a whole wanted to get away from relying on HB. It' a culture and meta change.

As of now, not saying its good or bad, the culture of MapleRoyals playstyle is HP wash and leech to 135~155 then the character will be used full time.

Sure you can still grind from 1~200, but you will be a minority or an outlier. You either have to solo grind since the PQ and grinding maps are pretty much empty or occupied by leechers. You cant just CC and look for grinding party like you used to in GMS.

Again It's not right or wrong, but it'd be nice to have an quality of life/game play change so that the community is there to play with you regardless of what level you are instead of only 135+."

 

It is lazy. It seems lazy. Countless players have taken this road and completed it and they still to this day play and continue doing the same process.
There are multiple level 200s here that are washed with good HP and gear and have not complained at all. This is why I think its lazy. If there are players who do this 2-3 times, why can some players not even manage to do it once before giving up?

Also
1. No, they don't have to quit the character. Sila, an old GM, kept her NL and (not sure if she ever reached 200) and she did it without washing. She played the game, did the quests, bossed in HT, etc.
So no, I do not think the decision here is that you have to scrap your character, more that people do it because they don't wanna be inferior to others.
2. Yeah, I think this is reasonable. The game was designed this way. HP washing was not an intended part of the game, but it did eventually become a core part of the game for the HARDCORE PLAYERS. They wanted to be the best and they put the money and time into doing so. I believe this is a challenge that people need to overcome somehow or another. A game where everyone is balanced would become very stale.
3. I don't think this is necessary either. Its just a good idea to do this if you want to get ahead. Which is another reason why I feel like people are just being lazy or stubborn about how to play the game.

There is no set way to play the game, there are many ways. Each have their disadvantages and advantages. It would be dumb to force everyone to play the same way. You have the choice to wash completely, wash partially, or not wash at all.
And yes, I do call it lazy. Because to me, it is lazy.

 

Official MS - AP Resets cost real money. Hence it was not very viable for plebs or casual players. It is free here, essentially. This is why I don't get why people think it needs to be made easier.

As we can see, we can see the natural progression that Nexon took was obvious. People didn't like maple too much after big bang right? Well, Im sure it happened the same way in GMS. People didn't/couldn't afford to do a full HP Wash (Especially considering it cost real money). This issue escalated until there were enough max levels to add new content. In which case, they increased the level limit, removed HP washing, removed damage cap and made the game really generic and boring.

Now its entirely possible to solo bosses. Is this the course people want royals to take? To have their own BB and make everything super easy because its not fair?

I just don't understand the real reason why people want HP washing removed. I see some say its boring and doesn't add to the game, and others say it encourages leeching and leaves an empty void from level 35-135. And i just really dont get it because its just the way people chose to play.

 

As a player with multiple lv 200, and multiple 30k/30k HP potential characters including thief. If I disagree with you am I categorized as "lazy"?

I am willing to bet on anything you want to bet on, but I bet if you survey the lv 135+ active player pool we have today, none washed characters are minority. What was considered extreme wash is a norm in MapleRoyals today.

 

It is entirely possible to do anything: no wash, boss without hp washing, no leeching, etc. People follow the trend regardless it's necessary or not.

Like the smart phone vs flip phone. Is smart phone necessary and worth the higher cost? You can accomplished everything you want to accomplished with a flip phone that you can do with a smart phone. Just takes more effort and time.

However you rarely see people walking around with a flip phone even for people who has no idea how to use a smart phone like My parents. They paid the extra just to follow the trend, but all they do is texting and calling.

HP washing is not necessary and cost a lot more than just rely on HB, but the player base as a whole is trending away from having HB in bossing party. Sure if you put enough time and effort, you'll still make it happen but the quality of life degraded between a well washed character and a non wash character.

 

Its lazy to expect the end game to come without putting any extra effort. If we were to be boss ready from simply playing the game and questing, what is the challenge? To see how many 200 characters I guess you could make.
I think its lazy to want the extra HP you could get from putting in that effort, for free or at a discounted cost. I think its extremely lazy to think the solution is to give everyone the HP for bossing in a way that doesn't make any difficulty.

It does not make sense to allow players to simply create characters and have them be "boss ready" after leeching them from 1-135. It does not make sense. Theres already no grind required to reach bossing levels.
Ofc non washed characters are a minority. Its the meta of the game. This is gonna hold true for every v62 server out there EXCEPT ONE that I saw which made changes to make HP washing optional, yet, we still have more active players than that server and are ranked higher on the server rankings.

An issue with making HP washing easier would be more end game attackers. More attackers means more runs. More runs means more drops. More drops means competitive price drops. It would get to the point bossing wouldn't even be profitable anymore or the profit margin would heavily decrease, which would promote more elitism in parties causing only trios with apples in runs. Which means less participation for less DPS classes like brawler, marksman, cb, etc. It would promote BM NL parties.

 

I have driven around the poor areas of my town. And the people who cannot afford the quality stuff in life do in fact resort to using "flip phones/burn phones" and less than quality clothing in less than quality lifestyles eating less than quality food.
The point is, for whatever reason, these people cannot afford the "quality of life" others have. It could be their own faults and decisions or something happened out of their control.

Regardless, these people can complain and beg all they want and its unlikely that they will just be rewarded and compensated for everything everyone else has.

Which is the same way here I guess. People wanna have the smart phones and cool emojis on their phones, but they don't wanna have to work for it or pay for it. Instead, they go to an authority figure and ask for it.

Im sure they throw tantrums when/if they don't get it, and are happy TEMPORARILY until the new phone comes out.

I really like how you brought up the smartphone/flip phone comparison because it is actually exactly the situation now.

The ones who really want something will work hard to get it, the ones who want things easily will sit back and complain about how something isn't fair in the world which caused them to not have the cool phone that all the other kids are getting

 

I never once said we should make hp washing easier. TBH I can careless because I can easily afford to wash a few more 30k character attackers without any problem.

I already understand the water around the bridge is too high to do a drastic change to have a big direct impact to the HP washing system without receiving huge push back from the old community. That's why I approached this topic in my other thread the way I did.

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/an-idea-to-make-hp-mp-washing-optional.118743/

My idea makes achieving the same HP harder from a time consuming perspective. Still easier and faster to just leech and HP washing. Again I never once suggested we should make HP washing easier.

 

You said that I was calling you lazy cuz you disagreed with me, but if you don't think HP washing needs to be made easier, why would you assume this? I was under the impression you wanted it easier.
And yeah, its way too far down the line to fix the HP washing situation. It would require a reboot essentially of the entire server, which people would not be happy about.

As for your other thread, I ll post there.

 

I was asking if I fall under the category as a lazy person since you pretty much implied only lazy people want this.

 

But you don't so why does it matter? If someone with multiple 30k/30k level 200s came and said it should be easier, then I would listen to his reasoning a little bit and ask him questions as to why he thinks that. He would have experience and proof that he has achieved it, so his information is more credible to me into understanding the reasoning why theres a huge negative opinion on HP washing. It would be interesting to see the opinion of someone like that.

 

Toad is literally impossible without washing. Even with HB the HP is not high enough to tank his hits

 

Wait what? I have multiple lv 200 and multiple 30k/30k potential characters including thief class, and I think HP is degrading the social aspect of the game indirectly for all the reasons I listed before but this being the main one:

What I'm looking for is an idea or change that will address the quality of game play and community between lv 1 and 134 without pissing off the old player base.

 

I don't understand. The social aspect of the game is existent. You do not need to be in the same map as someone to have a social presence. You can be leeching and still socializing with your BL.
Sure, you may not meet as many ppl when you're grinding, but most people don't wanna sit there and chat when they are grinding. The whole idea of FM, Henehoeing is to go be social in a setting where people want to be social.

When I gave leech, I would usually talk to my leechers. If they afk'd, I'd talk to my BL or guildies. I don't think HP washing directly causes a lacking social aspect of the game. I think its just that the game is not very social during all moments.
Yeah, its possible that if less people focused on HP washing, there would be more ppl PQing and trying to have grind parties. But we cant know for sure.

It seems to me that your concern is more of a leeching issue rather than an HP washing issue.
I think its very hard to tell the exact reason, but I don't think people leech simply because of HP washing. I think its possible a lot of people leech because they don't wanna grind and level.

Ofc, hp washing does contribute to this, but its more than likely people who are HP washing have main characters and have already formed these friendships and such. AS such, even when they afk leech, they are being social on an alternate account or on their BL.

The issue from level 70-135 is very clearly the fact that leech is so prominent starting at wolf spiders. This is where the game goes slower too. If its easier to leech, a lot more people will leech if they can afford it. The time commitment to grinding long hours to reach end game is something not a lot of people have or enjoy putting into the game. This is where the social aspect starts to dwindle.

From levels 1-70, its entirely possible to have a good authentic social element. KPQ is almost always active. A few times at like 12 AM EST or so it may be down but thats normal. LPQ i understand is a lot of leeching too, but thats simply because its easy. When presented a choice of joining a party without a level 150+ bishop or one with, its almost a no brainer which the majority of people would choose. The simple fix here is to add a level limit lmao.

Then after that its LMPQ, which is active a lot as well. Most people like to grind the PQs because finding a party is hard. But i blame this on the fact that players aren't joining faster than the speed a player outlevels these PQs.

I don't think anything is wrong with 1-70 except Ludi pq being carried by AM/Bishops. (Forgive me if this was changed recently, I haven't done LPQ since my warrior) From 70-135, the leeching problem is very prominent.

But i dont think HP washing is the main culprit as to why the social element is lacking from the earlier levels.