Would you ever want to see leech nerfed/gone from the server?

People grind all the time, you might have actually found some friends to do it with if you hadn't been wasting your time harassing bishops for leech
http://royals.ms/forum/threads/harassment-report.35375/

 

O___________o Okay...
How did I miss that...

 

Even if there wasn't a time limit, if a party A filled with ranged DPS could do Horntail in an hour and Party B of magic DPS does Horntail in 6 hours one party/class is clearly better at bossing than another.

 

Screaming that leech needs to be nerfed without proposing one actual true and reasonable argument isn't feedback, it's whining about something you don't like.

Yes, actually; by making a Mage class to leech yourself, you open the options of HP Washing that are not otherwise feasible (read: basically impossible) to yourself; if you can make an 11500 HP+ Ranged character without using a Mage to leech it, I'll leave you alone. If you can't? There goes the possibility of you ever attending a Pink Bean fight, which is essentially the most end-game it gets. Permanently. End of story. I'm not confirming nor denying that Pink Bean will ever be introduced here, I'm just saying that without leech, we might as well not implement it because it would be literally impossible.

So yeah, we can say the same about leeching in RMS.

 

WHY DO YOU HATE ME

 

Erm, sorry @FruitShopOwner , I wasn't saying that you were whining, I was referring to the other forum user who posts in the leech threads, the one without a shred of actual understanding of the situation. That might have been unclear. You've at least tried to think your arguments through before making them, and show a bit of consideration for what we tell you when you know that you may not know the whole situation (such as when you said you had little experience with bosses).

 

Nooo, my signature! I am in so much pain

 

If you can survive a Pink Bean fight with less than the required HP, then I will fully retract my statement that it is impossible. Until then, I will stand by the statement that it is impossible to survive a Pink Bean fight with less than 11500 base HP, and it is impossible to survive an entire Horntail run with less than 5600 base HP, unless you are a Magician. Those things are impossible, and I'm repeating it because it's true that they are impossible. HP Washing is 100% required to defeat Pink Bean, so by extension, leeching is 100% required to defeat Pink Bean, and therefore leeching indirectly provides more advanced content to the game.

My ribs are waiting for your attempt to remove them. Good luck.

 

I don't understand some of the angst expressed in this thread with regards to leeching. Leeching hasn't destroyed teamwork, nor has it eradicated the communal grinding that was popular in GMS. All it's done is move the needle in terms of when and where this so-called "teamwork" takes place. Instead of parties at gobies or himes (which still exist if you look hard enough), people are working together at end-game bosses and TOT—and along the way, friendships will inevitably blossom.

Leeching can be thought of as an efficiency improvement: it allows you to access the most tantalizing aspects of this game much easier. A real life parallel would be Netflix replacing Blockbusters as the dominant provider of on-demand movies. You don't shake your fist at Netflix because it's deprived you of the opportunity to talk to that cute Blockbusters' cashier, you embrace the 24/7 access to movies and find your social interactions elsewhere.

I'd even argue that leeching has brought a significant improvement to the MS experience. Beyond HP washing, leeching lets you accelerate to 4th job and access end-game content that much sooner. Everyone here is 6-7 years older than when GMS was at its prime, and generally our time has greater opportunity costs (school, job, family, friends, etc.). A lot of players cannot afford to grind to 4th job on every character they make—it's too much of a time drain for very little nuance. IMO, part of what makes Royals successful is that people are able to receive that instant gratification of levelling, upgrading their characters, and accessing next-level content much easier than lower-rate servers. For better or worse, leeching plays a big role in that success.

 

Wow. I did not know that. So basically it is impossible to fight end game bosses like pink bean and HT without hp washing and leeching? That is fucked up.

Basically every 135+ character that isn't washed is completely useless at HT and pink bean, the two biggest most important bosses....

Fuck dude this hit me like a ton of bricks. G fucking G. I'm quitting my drk and starting a bishop.

I feel like this should be sticked.

*Make a bishop and HP wash or else you can never ever fight Pink Bean or HT!*

Is this really how it is? I am sick to my stomach.

 

i said 3 out of 3 in the lvl 75-135 level range, not 3 people on the whole server. thats 100%. is that a small sample size? yes it is. but you also completely IGNORED the part where I said that there are plenty of people smegaing for parties. people do train in parties. I myself did on my F/P when i was in 3rd job. I also know plenty of people who partied instead of leeching.

people pretty much stop leeching around in the 120s anyways. the amount of EXP you have to earn from 120-200 is way more than the exp you have to earn to get from 1-120. if anything, getting to a bossing level quicker encourages teamwork because most people arent gonna solo krex, zak, HT, unless you're doing it to post it in the accomplishment thread. I party with people all the time and boss as a TEAM. there's plenty of teamwork going around in this server. also there are plenty of himes/ulu2/ws parties going around on this server. I literally had to cc 7 times a couple nights ago at wolf spiders because there were so many parties and I couldn't find a open one. the only thing leeching hurts is the feelings of people who want to be recognized for getting to 16x or whatever by grinding alone.

are you high? F/P suck at bossing period. we're weak against zak summons have have the 3rd lowest single target DPS.

As long as they're compensating me for my services or I love them enough to leech them for free, hell yes. why not? what I do with my F/P is none of your or anyone else's business. I made this F/P to be different from your typical bishop, but to be able to reap similar benefits. I grinded through hell in 2nd job to be able to do this. so why shouldnt i be?

 

Well, you can ht w/o hp washing. You would just need hb 100% of the time pretty much. For pink bean, well yeah. You need to hp wash.

 

Ranged DPS would also have to reach around 18x before they have anywhere close to the HP needed for HT iirc(don't quote me on this) Needless to say HP washing is much more preferable than climbing another 20 levels as a Ranged Character in where the game really starts to slow down in terms of leveling.

It also opens up other bosses such as Anego and Bigfoot, which can pretty much always 1shot a non-washed character if you make a mistake

 

Literally the first video I saw on pre-bb pink bean run had a NL with only 9k hp, with the hyper body buff added, no less.

Better yet, find me SINGLE pre-bb PB run video where the one filming has more than 10k base hp(And no, warriors don't count).

It's because you can't even get 10k hp on a NL with simple hp washing, you NEED mp washing. Back then in the official servers, this meant you had to spent thousands and thousands of dollars on ap resets. This is only done here because it's a private server with 4x exp, nobody would leech themselves on the painful 1x rate, let alone level an entire bishop just so they can do it.

 

The video you are referring to shows the Nightlord being killed multiple times, relying on Wheel of Fortune(and the occasional resurrect)to get through the run which not only is unavailable in Royals but takes valuable DPS time that is required to kill Pink Bean in the time limit. The same video shows Pink Bean blasting people for well over 16k damage to an upwards of 23k damage versus melee DPS. There's also the fact that he simply avoided a lot of fatal blows which is stupid to rely on for obvious reasons.

That's why Pink Bean was not done in GMS prior to potential release. Finding ~18 or so attackers who had the required HP as well as the damage to defeat pink bean was nearly impossible, and even then it would have been extremely difficult with DR, Zombify, Seduce and general disconnect issues and accidental deaths

If it wasn't for the fact that Potential/Wheels was available in the video you reference they would have even come close. We do not have the pay2win luxuries that Nexon ruined their game with.

 

Leeching will never be destroyed hence being the main source of currency gain.

 

leeching is cancer. that is all.

 

Obviously, if we had PB added, we would need to have Wheels of fortune added too.Even with MP washing, wheels of fortune and resurection would still be mandatory, as Pink Bean has instakill attacks(from what I've read). Having to constantly die and be revived is part of the challenge of that fight, it's the endgame boss after all, you can't expect it to be easy. Also, Zakum has a freaking 3 hour time limit, why would they decide to give PB only one?



Anyway, know what this server freaking needs? Something created long time ago called... Umm...

MOTHERFUCKING FULL AP RESETS.

Seriously.

Imagine you have a level 200 character. There's zero possibility for you to hp wash that character at all, the character you put so much effort leveling is completely screwed.

However, that becomes completely possible with the use of a full ap reset. Unlike with simple ap resets that let you reassign a single point from one stat to another one, a full ap reset REFUNDS your entire AP pool. Letting you assign AP as if you just had leveled up.

Thanks to them, the people that ACTUALLY PLAYED with their characters have the possibility to obtain high amounts of HP for bossing or whatever. They're truly a marvelous thing.

Trust me, there's nothing more pay to win in this game than having to buy a gorillion ap resets.

Like it was mentioned before, as of right now, the game PUNISHES you for not making a bishop as your very first character. And instead of having the GMs taking full ap resets into consideration, they just use the fact that we need to mp wash as an excuse to not nerf leeching, and let me tell you, that's bullshit.

 

From what I recall, the only true instadeath Pink Bean has is if someone royally screws up during the ranged DPS statue phases and causes mass seduce spam/attacks during damage reflect or when the timer runs out and Pink Bean starts casting his "screw maplestory" genesis.

The reason why the 1hour time limit is there is to specifically make it a challenge.

 

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