How would you define people who have struggled with the Quest for too long? Anyway, i think that if you can prove to a GM your eyesight is really bad and stopping you from completing this jq, they should just warp you to the end.
Plans are in the works for an alternative to ZJQ for those who TRULY cannot do the JQ, and not just because they're too lazy to do it. Stay tuned for now.
I've been following this with no comments to see what would they say. I hope they find out how to confirm that the person needs such help, not helping lazy people. I do this JQ easily within less than 10 minutes, rarelly falling down, and I feel that helping other people just because they're lazy wouldn't be fair with people who do it the hard way.
zjq is so easy. follow the steps in these videos. hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nv6lWpe9fo hxxps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM3BH-tPpCQ
Fish can't climb trees, but they're not lazy because they can't. I know you're not saying that someone with a disability is lazy, and that if they're lying, they probably are, but that doesn't mean it's other peoples place to judge. I have no outwardly physically signs that I would need a disability plate on my car, but I do meet the qualifications and could get one if I wanted one. However I don't because honestly, having to tell people my life story every time someone gets upset because I "don't look like I need the plate" is not something I want to deal with. That said, I'm also from the camp of "I don't think the game would suffer at ALL if the JQ was removed entirely". It really offers nothing, it's just annoying. You still need to do the caves/keys, get the teeth, and survive zak to get the helm. But that won't happen. Ive gone through the JQ dozens of times (and I still suck at it), but, hey, why not just make it easier for some people who need it, you don't have to dwell on it, it really doesn't affect you, or any other players. Id rather let some lazy people slip through if it means helping people who need it. Just my 0.02$ For what it's worth, it's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of not being able to see some of the hazards due to colour-blind issues.
@Evan If there's a river to cross, and the only way to do it is by a boat, everybody is doing it, even if it's thought. Then there are people with no arms, they can't do it. Then you build a bridge, so they can cross the river walking. Do you think the other people will still use the boats? They will all hide their arms in their coats and cross the bridge.
I get your direction @godys, therefor I'd like to offer a whitelist for the alternative. I believe that people that are struggling should still be able to enjoy the game, and an alternative prequest will be a great solution. Though, since I love the JQ and I don't want that part of the nostalgia to die, I feel like a whitelist or something along these lines will be able to make sure that only the people that need the alternative questline will do it.
This is exactly why i upped for a string of quests that will take you a good week to complete to pass the JQ ONLY. Not the full zak pre quest. down side of this is that pple who do this alternative cannot get extra EOF themselfs, they will always need to buy them. Also im on the side to make the alternative a higher lvl req like 80 or 100+ All these ideas weed out the lazy fucks since the JQ is way, way faster to complete. Even if you suck at it.
If the JQ is going to get nerfed then you might aswell nerf the extremely arbitrary gold teeth farm too by upping the drop rate. It might take someone not as funded 30 hours to farm those, much like people who 'cannot' complete the Zakum quest after 40 hours of practicing, the latter number is much more likely to be inflated too, you see these kind of posts pop up a lot on gaming forums for other difficult sections in video games, they're often hyperbole. (See people claiming a single stage in Crash 1 took them 'hundreds of hours') If the drop rate for these was ever changed already then just ignore this post but the JQ is the only 'skillful' part required to get a helm, might aswell just put them for sale at that point because there's no real quest left if the JQ is too easy. (I'm not even trying to come over sarcastic here, that's pretty much how it is, I wouldn't care if this scenario happened) Just my 2 cents.
I guess people who can't make the JQ is because they rush it all the way, I don't see a problem if you follow the video guide on YouTube, I really don't see it hard when it has good guide.
Just for your info: I used all videos on noobtube but for me the main problem is in the colors of the background and falling rocks/gasses. I can jump most of the other ingame jump quests without any real problems, its just the ZJQ thats a pain in the butt. *Edit* people who just rush and whine about just getting it unlocked without any time spend on it should use the guides and take it slower.
That's not quite correct. Let's think of it this way: If you were trying to leave this house, would you take the two steps of stairs or the twenty feet of ramp? Most people would take the two steps of stairs. It's the obvious choice. Other people, however (mostly those with impaired mobility requiring wheelchairs), would take the ramp as they need it to literally be able to leave the house. Is it long and inconvenient? Yes. But is it absolutely necessary? Yes. This is how disability accessibility works. Those who are unable to walk down the stairs are not "lazy" or "unskilled." They suffer from specific conditions and require specific accommodations that you do not. So I'd like to encourage everyone in this thread against a ZJQ alternative to keep in mind that having a condition that makes it borderline impossible to complete the ZJQ is very very different than rushing through the ZJQ without a guide. And to also keep in mind that your specific experience with completing the ZJQ can be very very different from someone else's. To those of you complaining that people will take the easy way out of ZJQ, they won't. No one's asking for an easy way out, people are asking for a viable alternative that is just as challenging and time-consuming (if not more) but not utterly impossible.
@iEatEmoKids Again, I'm not against of an alternative way to do the Zak Pre-Quest. I just hope the Devs find a way to testify that such person really NEEDS it. Also, your example of accessibility does not fit to the one I said. For a wheelchair example that fits on this conversation, you could use Elevators. Before elevators were a thing, there were only ladders. Elevators were mainly made for wheelchair accessibility. Nowadays who uses ladders to go up on buildings that has any elevators?
Yes, my example does not fit into yours. The point was that your example does not fit into the original intention of this thread.
