(This is just my opinion as an avid long-time player of the game.) As the title says, I definitely think that Dragon Scales and Spirits need to have their droprate adjusted. With the current droprate, based on my experience and attempts, it would take me somewhere around 30-40 hours of active farming in Leafre to get my hands on the 20 spirits and 25 scales required to craft one Dragon weapon, and that still leaves me with the task to farm the requisite crystal ores (which I found 50 of in 4 hours of uninterrupted grinding). I have been getting roughly 1 dragon ETC per hour, with a few lucky exceptions. This has been the case when farming at Cornians, (B)Rextons, Wyverns and Skeles. I am a level 150 warrior for reference. I believe that Dragon Weapons should be more easily available to those who want to grind for it themselves (i.e not rely on a time-restricted, RNG-based gachapon). For reference, before the New Source was put into use, the droprate seemed more fair, and more in line with the progression rate for the rest of the game. I am all for having a grindy game, but without resorting to sappy, emotional arguments, I think the current droprate is too demanding, that it's out of line with the droprate of other things in the game and that it gives too much power to Gachapon. I would be happy if farming for these ETC items the old fashioned way was more viable; just as an alternative to the vote- and rng-based Gachapon and Horntail. I would not mind if very unpopular mobs and maps such as Wyverns or Dragon Turtles had their droprate increased, but Skeles did not. Also consider the lack of the godly system in Mos' weapon crafting, as well as the risk of using a Stimulator. To summarise, I would like to be able to grind my way to my Dragon weapons in perhaps half or a quarter of the time it currently takes. I genuinely think that would be a fair investment. Apologies for the rambly rant!
I think Dragon weapons should be rare and hard to get, making it easier to perf a dragon weapon in my opinion is not the way to go. The sense of accomplishment is kinda gone, idk how to put it in better words, but i hope you get what i mean! Spoiler I took ages, collecting them, owl, and sweep the entire FMs' scales and spirit, i even went to skele to go through all 20 channels asking bishops if they selling them. Im a corsair, i collected concertos from all over, concertos are not easy to hunt, I CRAFTED OUT MY OWN 88 REVOLVER after 33 crafts. I loved it because i know not many / close to no corsairs out there wield a perfect dragon revolver, which led me to taking up that challenge. Perfect Dragon Weapon are suppose to be an epic thing, it should remain that way, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE DRAINING AND DIFFICULT to get.
I think statistically speaking you have a 0.67% chance of getting the 88att Dragon Revolver when crafting it. So you'd need to craft 150 Dragon Revolvers to get one with 88 attack. You've been very lucky is what im saying. I agree that Dragon Weapons should be a hard to get and rare plus difficult to find / craft item. But i also agree that the droprate is just too low. It's probably easier to just invest the time in selling leech as a mage and buying the weapon. So why not buff the droprate slightly and give non mages the opportunity to farm for their endgame weapons and enjoy the thrill and excitement of crafting a weapon more than once a week. Sure mages would profit from this aswell and there'd be probably more Dragon Weapons on the market, but the competition for these is always high enough to keep the price stable as long as the wished droprate buff isn't too high.
In the case that this droprate buff happens, I think it is fair to further increase the rarity of the dragon weapons obtained from gacha. Reason being, the rarity of obtaining a perf stat dragon weapon should remain as is. Our population is already small. Making it more common just wrecks the uniqueness of the current dragon weapons that already exist. I do support the grind-centric route you so prefer.
Hello, thank you for your input! I see that you care about the feeling of accomplishment after putting in hard work! You're in good company, I do too. However, you speak of sweeping the FM and going through 20 channels asking bishops to sell you Spirits and Scales. You mention crafting 33 Dragon Revolvers. I have barely been able to scrape together enough ETCs to craft a single Dragon weapon. This is the gap I tried to point out with this thread in the first place. I think you misunderstand what I'm trying to convey here. Let me ask you, have you tried to collect the Spirits and Scales and Crystal Ores for your 33 Dragon Revolvers by yourself? Let alone a single Revolver? This is of course an extreme question; and I don't expect anyone to craft their own perfect Dragon weapon without resorting to purchasing items from others. Nor do I necessarily wish to passively reward Bishops and Mages at Skeles even further with a droprate buff. My friends (who are not 4th job mages) have spent weeks and months farming by themselves in various Leafre maps, ranging from Cornians to Rextons to Wyverns and Skeles, only to have a Stimulator blow up their weeks or months of effort, but now I'm straying dangerously close to sappy arguments. Let it be clear, I'm not speaking of flooding the market with perfect Dragon Weapons. All I would like is some more influence over my own progression in terms of weaponry. I'm willing to put in the time and effort for it, just not 30-40 hours for the Scales and Spirits alone. To give you an idea, I've been gaching almost exclusively in Perion for the past 1.5 years, and I've had the fortune of getting perhaps 5-7 Dragon Flames (the weapon I'm after). I don't want Spirit & Scale farming to be the only thing I use my time in Royals for. Besides, average dragon weapons are not hard to come by on the market, but they are hard to get if you are determined to craft one by yourself. Unreasonably hard, is what I'm arguing. If you can walk into the FM and purchase one for a couple of dozen of million mesos, is that really so expensive compared to even 1/4th of the current time investment it takes to find the ingredients for it?
i remember the 1st time i crafted dragon weapons. i bought some scales n spirits here and there n lucked out getting perf bow on my 2nd try. but if ur talking pure grind, then my most recent crafting would be applicable. i basically did 108-131 leech for 3 mules tgt using my bish (1hit skeles btw) n collected abt 80 spirits n 100 scales to craft 4 claymores. none of them made it past 2 scrolls. the total amount of time i leeched shld be abt 30-50 hrs? im not too sure since i took was just casually leeching n i believe i had a few of them beforehand, but they numbered less than 10 since i used to just craft shit concertos when i was bored. now that im typing all of these down, i realise that their droprate is rly pathetically low n i believe there shld be some sort of buff. btw for those who arent familiar with crafting dragon weapons, the classes that would be affected in the case of this buff would be: Hero/Paladin - Claymore Shadowers - Kanzir/Kreda (tho more go for kanzir) Bucc - Slash Claw (idk i dun play bucc) Sair - Revolver (I believe right now this is the most worth it to craft since DSB prices are shit rn Rip 15b clean perf dsb) BM - DSB (price dropped a lot since i got it way back not really worth it unless u are planning to use i guess) MM - Shiner Cross (There is a huge lack of good crossbows so maybe it might benefit aspiring top MMs) Mainly Drk, NL n Mages dun benefit since the crafted weapons arent their optimal weapons Faltizan - people prefer sky ski Dragon Green Sleeve - RC or DPS prefferred. perf DGS is barely 2b i think? cheap af Dragon wand/staff - E wand/staff are better n sadly luk mages are somewhat of a meme
I agree. I remember the first and last time I wanted to craft a Dragon Slash Claw. I spent more than 4 hours grinding the scales, then another 1 hour farming the rest. Once I handed everything in, the production simulator failed and I didn't get anything back. Never again.
I'll be honest, i have a bishop, and for a moment i actually wanted to make this same post that you have put up. Because Scales& Spirits are so rare, in an hour of 1 hitting skele, you probably get 2-6 depending on your luck. I also like you did, told myself "the droprate of scales/spirits is way too low and u need 20/25 of each to craft a dragon weapon thats insane. Dragon Flame? oh the best looking Dragon Weapon but also the worst weapon in MapleStory XD. hopefully the devs do something about that weapon because they completely skipped it the previous patch when they buffed axe. I'm not sure whats the best way ,maybe the scales and spirits can go down to 20 as a requirement for all dragon weapons. but triple the crystals needed or something, idk. but whichever way , the difficulty of crafting a dragon weapon should remain as it is. Hope you agree with me !
Also, the level 100 weapons required, if you look at it, 1)BMs DSB(editted ty @Tect ) is the EASIEST, white nisrocks are all over because of petri. 2)followed by King Cents are plenty as well 3)Concertos at my time were so rare that i have to go hunt them at cornians and that was miserable. 4)Marksman White NESC. you guys look up hidden street, Birk. that sheep in leafre, yes, white nesc is reallllllyy difficult to farm, my friend is crying atm trying to get them, but i want it to stay that way because , Because of that, almost no MM wields a perf DSC(only 2) This is something that i found out Spoiler I spent almost 0 mesos to get my 88 revolver, instead , i think earned, because when you craft revolver, its expensive to start off with(unless you are so unlucky to get all grey ones) .scroll the avg ones and get to to 99 - 101 attack and u get 800m or more, then i use the mesos to repeat the cycle over and over. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO OTHER DRAGON WEAPON CRAFTING IDK
All for that^ Gacha became the only reliable way for many classes to get their end game weapons. I want to see a shift to a more grinding centric gameplay. Though, i dont want to see this buff on skeles. It will FLOOD the market with dragon weapons.
1) *DSB 2) ye i agree. but since the 100 ones are already so common most just stick to them. also not rly too sure abt this, but i believe perf knuckle is cheaper than perf revolver? 3) if u boss regularly u will get some concertos. zak/krex/pap/shao/ht drops them 4) not even gonna touch this one. my mm guildies complain abt this shit a lot. a good neschere is fking rare. n since there are diff colors, even if u boss regularly, u will likely not get white color ones which are needed for crafting as often as the concertos. but since its rare, obviously not the best one to craft on a massive scale
I agree with you , yuval. Increasing chance to get dragon weapons from gachapon should never happen, i actually wanted them to REDUCE the chance of getting dragon weapon from gachapon haha. (Except for Dragon purple sleeve, because that one is not craftable)
Dont get me wrong, i want to see an increase in droprate, just not on skeles. And as venin said, a nerf to some gatcha dragon weapons would be in place as well.
probably the drop rates of them for all mobs excluding skelgons n skelesaurus so it doesnt buff skeles leech
The droprate of dragon scale and spirit for non skele mobs in leafre. The farming capabilities of bish and arch mages should not be increased any further.
I support this AS LONG AS the changes are made after the autoban is implemented. Otherwise hackers/botters will just take over the scale/spirit market. I already see plenty of them selling scale/spirits.
