What is wrong with low lvl character using ilbis? There are literally endless amount of 60% scrolls available in the server to the point where people can use godly scrolled maple weapons as other classes. Why punish NL as a whole for just +1 attack? They have already been nerfed their alchemist and shifter %. I would at least advocate for honsters to be reverted because warriors take almost 100% of the damage, both physical and magical, and they are spending a ton of mesos on hp pots.
SO. Let's leave opinion/class preference/main character/whatever else aside for a sec. And talk about the INTENT of the nerf. NL: Getting a nerf to alchemist/shifter/stars, plain and simple, it's not that bad. I have an NL. The number of pots I save and DPS still top tier makes it pretty well balanced now. Mages: It's not that bad, using ginger ales for bosses is still massively cheaper than using apples, and you should just be using better pot options for selling leech. Little to no effect there either in regards to the "Meso sink." So, the intent of the nerf was somewhat met, but didn't fix much and was easily adaptable for the intended classes. 5/10 update didn't really do much but annoy people. But, to all the NL/mages complaining. WARRIORS HAVE TO USE SO MANY POTS! The past few months I have been hard grinding on boss runs to level up my paladin. The amount of pot cost and pots used is abysmal. Which now makes warrior the most expensive class to boss with aside from bombing shadowers. Was the intent of the nerf to make warriors so expensive? IMO, warriors are mostly chosen by new players more than any other class. Cheap to wash, decent DPS, and easily fundable equips. A Meso sink is intended for server deflation and balance purposes between classes and causing warriors to deal with the harshest consequences for this adjustment does not make much sense to me. Proposed solutions: 1. Warrior Pot Store, an NPC only accessible to warriors to purchase untradeable pots at a more affordable price. (I'm imagining a cool medicine man in Perion) 2. Revert nerf to pot prices. 3. Open to suggestions...
Or maybe they can just lower specifically the 60% hp pot's price. The mana and ale pots were the real trouble
Yea. That will work. Literally anything making pots economical for warriors will help. I literally have a friend that quit playing paladin due to pot consumption 2 days ago. I laughed at his ease of quitting but also, he had a point. It's expensive.
Look at you guys complaining about pot price when Drks spend the most for pots among all classes. We didn't complain even when ale was cheaper than cheese. Just get used to the new meta.
I'm pretty sure "We didn't complain" and "just get used to the meta" is how the DrK buff coming came to existence, is it? That's a damn long thread, with lots of genuine feedback. And a change is happening. Let us bitch about the terrible pot prices and you go celebrate the DrK buff.
Complaints about drk's current position in the meta are completely independent of pot price balance discussion. It was centered around the loss of HB's value in the washing meta with increasing methods to add hp, on top of relatively unrewarding firepower. Royals IS shifting to a meta that disfavors the only outstanding ability of Drks hence a change was inevitable to counterbalance it. Maybe it would have sounded worse if we included extra pot cost? If the current pot price is, by consensus, terrible enough to make people quit, every Drk in the pre-pot price nerf era should have rage quit due to the excessive and unfair pot expense but we coped with it, with a minimum complaint (apparently someone was complaining ^). This fact suggests that the complaints about the current pot price are a momentary rant and not a constructive argument based on a statistical evaluation - caused by a relative sense of deprivation, especially those who were too comfortable with abnormally cheap ginger ale price given its amazing % value.
I didn't hear you complain but from my experience playing with other Drks in-game throughout my time playing Royals, these players have complained about pot expenditure as well as Sky Ski prices (just not on forums)
Wait...theres ppl whos actually complaini g about pot prices for non mages?? Except for mages, where, there can be a debate, pot expending is MEANINGLESS, its like out expending growed from 2 cents to 4....i know its twice as much..but comon..i kind of knew that as a drk i was spending more money on pots that most players...but being 600hp and 400mp pots per hour (wich is around what...3-4m)who cares if everyone spends 3 times less(just exagerating) 2-3m diference per hour is nothing. Even now, i could just give 2m stacks of PE to my mules and quad client on HT setting autoheal at 90%=overall spending 30m....recovered by 5k nx card... and dont say "thats bcs ure rich" bcs no,im not and i NEVER cared about pot pcs/spending..heck i dont even know how newbies have problems getting money for pots. server has 4x times mesos and """"""2x""""""" item drop. Edit. Just remembered this...i didnt had problems to repot since 2006 LOL...if we were actualy strugling to repot...THAT WOULD BE NOSTALGIC :')
The HHG1 lvl 12 bowman flashbacks really kicked in and now I can't stop hearing "spare any pots or meso please" I tried to explain how the pot price change barely affected every other class but effected the warrior classes most, which was not directly intended to be adjusted by it. I agree with most of the, "stop complaining get used to it" crowd, but saying how bad you've had it and how we should take it isn't constructive. Warriors pay too damn much for pots, it is what it is, but if a GM could agree than we don't have to just settle for the price hike and it could be adjusted.
Note that these changes happened because someone suggested it in the first place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And I see a lot of folks chiming in as well established players having multiple high level characters that can pap multiple times to save their PE/Elixirs. This is great for you, but everyone has the fund or means to do that. I, for one, has never had to buy any pot from NLC besides sorcerer elixirs. I'm simply pointing out that this price hike was unnecessary and ineffective at least from my observation of the economy. Changing out stars depending on situation just add unnecessary inconvenience because let's be real here: no funded NL would even need to use subpar stars because they are most likely washed and won't come out to play until lvl 135+. Which means you are punishing new players for the added measly +1-3 attacks. Also, why should NLs be required to switch out stars for things like farming, Dojo, grinding, when no other class is asked of this. Sure, alchemist helps sustain apples for longer but else is going on for them? Do they have party buffs? Utility skills? No? Because they are made out to be a single target DPS that relies on SE for their damage output. Otherwise, they are arguably the weakest class out there. Even a weak AOE class can out DPS an NL at certain circumstance.
