Let's discuss: do you think this deserves an unban?

The "harassment" rule has always been open to petty retaliation reports. 48 hours is a lazy solution and keeps the rule unfair
There needs to be a clear outline of harassment, a criteria to be met.
@Tim @Dave Deviluke
definition of harassment;
Persistent attacks and criticism causing worry and distress.

So this rule would need a victim, first of all. people being reported for talking amongst friends shouldnt be worried if they get reported by strangers (i.e. the FM chat snipers).
2. The victim needs to ask them to stop bothering them. The victim cannot talk back in an offensive manner, as that would equate to a fair exchange of words.
3. if the harassment continues, as defined, then a ban should be given.

as it stands the rule bans anyone for being "offensive" not necessarily harassing, and we all know how the relative nature of being offended (from person to person) can perceive anything from any context as offensive.

 

man i dont even play this fuckin game anymore and i spend my saturday night staying up til 2:41am reading all this shit instead of playing some CoD. bunk.

 

Well, i guess that clears most of it up.
But for the love of god Tim, as an admin (and tbh as a person), just don't say stuff like that again:


This is not in any way fine to respond to alleged victim of doxxing, even if you think her case is weak / weaponized. Its just a terrible remark to throw, which doesn't help you prove your point, and is only there to dismiss and hurt the one who came to you with the report. (straight up victim shaming)
Not expecting a response either, just, please take into heart the concerns of the community displayed in this thread.

 

But there's a problem: what's done on discord outside of the main mapleroyals' server isn't something the staff should take care of. Same applies to facebook.
It's obvious that sexual harassment shouldn't be supported, and i don't support it either, but the fact that it's not in the main discord server or in another platform does imply that it's up to them' staff to take care about it, not mapleroyals' staff. If you feel like you suffered doxxing on facebook, go report there. If it happened on discord, go report on discord.
I'm saying all of these with all respect. I really hope you don't see this with bad eyes.

All's left now is about the 48hrs time limit... this is a good thing.

 

But does this not apply?

Information Harvesting (Stalking) - The act of collecting any information about the game or any individual associated with the game, including players, ownership or any involved third-parties, without their expressed consent, regardless of the location of the act. Punishment: First offense - 7 day ban, Second offense - Permanent ban

 

I saw a doxxing rule before and now I can’t find it. Anyway, Raony has admitted his doxxing actions here on this thread and that’s still not enough evidence to ban for it?
When I asked June why she didn’t ban for doxxing she said “not enough evidence” but as for now that Raony faced his actions, is he gonna be banned for it?
My report is still closed and I’d like to ask the GM’s to at least reach me and keep me updated.

 

Wooooooooow. If you realised Raony was going to make a petty report then, should you not have taken a stand and suggested a change at that particular moment? To stop the weaponising of bans as you stated in your first reply, rather than wait until it fit Raony's 'victim' narrative?

Spoiler

 

This is all so messy, geez.
Yeah, i've remembered about that on doxxing stuff and i'm not sure about staff's conduct about it. I might have said it wrong.
Idk if a forum confession can be considered as evidence; if it can, well, staff should do something about it too.

 

Are we done taking pot shots at tim? Or the demands of public not done yet?

Offer solutions not mocking people

 

I think this is poor logic. I've been in communities with this as a hard rule where the moderation team doesn't tackle anything not directly on their platform. What this lead to is players reaching people in that community then harassing and doxxing others but since the only thing that took place directly on their discord was people being rightfully upset towards the group of bad actors that frequented the place it often just lead to actions against the victims. Taking a hard stance to turn a blind eye to anything and everything just leads to people gaming the moderation and doing bad things outside of that clearly defined jurisdiction. This isn't to say the staff here should be expected to go through guild discord logs for every report but if a dangerous person has been noted by a section of the community but never does anything specifically in game or on the MapleRoyals discord for example; there should still be an option for the moderation team to look into things.

 

Sooooooooooooooooo... just ban Raony, case closed?

 

It's pretty common knowledge that if you break rules on the main Discord/on this website, it constitutes punishment for in game means. If you are sharing servers, including the mapleroyals server, your interaction between users is just as important. Suggesting that I can go on another platform and harass you with no consequence is the most asinine thing I've heard in my life.

Also between you and @pinaka I have spoken to a few BR friends of mine, to regards to this racist thing, they are all from Genshin Impact/Blade and soul, they have all confirmed to me that, just like in America, Monkey is a racist rhetoric towards skin tone not nationalism. Raony is clearly white, or a lighter skin tone, therefore could not be seen as racist. Just like Raony lying about his "Non-native speaker" nonsense, trying to use ignorance as a thin veil (Btw one of the BR's I spoke with teaches English, he would be considered fluent by your country's standards), is just as shalllow and frankly, their words "stereotypical", of you to try to use culture misunderstanding as a justification.

To be quite frank after that discussion and re-reading your posts, you both kind of are disingenuous. Be thankful I wasted my time discussing a mapleroyals private drama with a group of friends of mine, like goddamn that was embarssing.

 

I’m also waiting to hear about their new terms for harassment/sexual harassment because I heard that was in the works And it would be nice to see, so that theres any hope of this community feeling better. I’m hoping this stupid “48 hours” is lifted.

 

To be honest, we're all talking about a week long ban here, and to be quite frank it should be permanent based on the new evidence provided in the thread. I'll trust the admins will take into consideration what was said here, especially by other users posting screenshots of a behavioral problem, rather than requiring a formal report. It's pretty transparent and I don't think anyone in the community disagrees with this assessment.

Either that or unban the word C* because you clearly don't care about women's safety/rights/respect whatever. I'm pretty sure every mapleroyals female here could stand being called C* over their facebook being found and utilized to talk about how ugly they are.

Can we just unban both users for this stupid petty feud and review Raony's case based on the fact he tried to manipulate the situation to "keep it a secret" and have sexually harassed, so far, two women regarding their social medias? Like damn we got this so fucking backwards.

 

Clearly a PR move. Deeply disappointed no gms responded here or to my report.

 

im just gonna point out here posting pics isnt doxxing, your an idiot, you posted your pics in a public place. if yo dont like it, as tim said, make ur shit private, prob the dumbest thing ive ever read.

 

Unfortunately, I doubt the staff will take what was said here into consideration.

 

Ok ill take your words personally.

You can talk to the entire population of Brazil and guess what? You still dont ever get to decide how real someone feels.

The context of your bigot self and your bigot friends using the word monkey was solely aimed to be hurtful.

Not to mention Sharu, your bigot friend bought a monkey pet and named him Roaney.

After reading all your posts of your dismissing racism as easily as a bigot would, while preaching on every post to be a champion on women of good will,
I truly believe you're a two-faced bigot hiding behind the moniker of women's rights.

I am truly thankful that your bigot self, or any of your bigot friends are anywhere close to getting top positions of this server.

Be thankful that im willing to impart some knowledge so that you may hopefully change your bigot self to a better person

 

Are you saying that doxxing can't occur with public social media accounts? Because I'm pretty sure that's the main way it's achieved.

This isn't someone friending another person after finding them on facebook. This is someone going through their pictures and picking one from 14 years ago and posting it on another platform publicly without their permission.

 

How can you compare my pics from 2020 to pics from 2014 I didn’t choose to share with people here.
God help me
Btw gz for first message and for new account