As per the title. I'm actually leaning on the side of removing Vote 2 Win now. Vote Abuse is a huge issue on the server. Rather than tackling the issue directly, what about indirectly? Removing Gachapon tickets from the cash shop would disable the obtaining of items that are easily converted to Mesos other than APR's. Voting Daily for NX when it directly contributes to Mesos income is VERY close to Pay2Win. By allowing an individual to obtain a currency for no in-game participation, it's essentially no different than paying 1$ a day on a game to gain in-game currency that utilizes gambling for that currency. Vote2win promotes players that want to rapidly progress in the game to abuse voting. If Gachapon was obtained from in-game progress, this would make players want to play the game more instead of resorting to a bannable offense. Promoting active gameplay would then have the effect of more efficient player retention since fewer individuals are getting banned for committing vote abuse. Essentially why MapleStory created Reboot to try to keep players, since Pay2Win is just a terrible game mechanic. Making APR Untradeable - Making APR untradeable would disassemble a lot of RWT market. Also, making in-game content that rewards MP/HP through gameplay contributes to having less people needing to wash and waste mesos on washing/leeching. In theory, mage leeching would stay around, as per a peer server's gameplay and meta. So if you like leeching for meso making, that is still an option. But is now no longer a REQUIREMENT to wash due to HP/MP content in discussion and free reign on voting. LESS WORK FOR GMs! - Being a GM is tough. I hear the stories. We know it sucks. But now less hassle with ban appeals and now more focus on AutoBan/Game content instead of rotting in ban appeals for hours on end just to permaban a guy for voting on his phone/laptop so he can afford to leech a nightlord. Now he can just vote all he wants and throw little ninja stars to his heart's content. - - - Some negatives I thought of... Currently, without the full implementation of an auto-ban, hackers could gain more access to those Gachapon tickets unless it was implemented in a "hacker-free" way. Players that can't be active, but enjoy having Mesos from voting, will be very much behind the curve. But still, be able to wash. We are shaking up the entire economy of the server. - - - Let's hear your points of view! And if you would like to entertain the theory of Gachapon Tickets not being in the Cash shop, how would you then implement the procurement of Gachapon Tickets? Bossing? Mobs? Quests? PQs? etc. - - - Side-Bar conversation. If removing Vote2win is implemented. I would even be crazy enough to suggest that minor vote abusers be unbanned. This would potentially increase players counts exponentially, and return some long lost friends to this server.
Honestly, is vote abuse the only reason royals is top right now? Player count is similar anyways. I’m pretty sure our playerbase are pretty worried because of it. Playerbase is dropping little by little due to vote abuse rule as well. Hundreds of hackers botting to lvl50 just to Vote for dollars and additional reasons to punish player due to it is definitely not healthy for the server. - What will make ppl want to vote if vote2win system is gone? Can we provide something for the players, something that is untradeable yet wanted. - Vote for 30days straight to obtain additional pendant slot (30days)? If X amount of days are missed, to pay X amount of mesos to get it. - Vote abuse is now changed into - allowed & recommended. okay okay, additional pendant slot is OP af, players will want it on all their mules, royals can retain its #1 position easily with these but you get my point. MapleC***zens next door is asking test players to vote abuse for them lol, i doubt its not allowed in Gtop100 anyways. —- If anything i see PQs as another form of mesos making method, getting Gacha Tix from the box rewards is honestly a good idea, getting EXP for new players, stable mesos/h for old players. Does this not make a bridge between the casuals and veterans? Having the limitation of unable to use higher level job skills is quite a problem as well. Rewarding players with ‘Tokens of Teamwork' by doing Party Quests. Is some crown of flowers something that players really want? Is tweaking the rewards into APRs not a good idea? Why not allow something that allow players to actually make mesos like APQ, its a crazy popular content btw. — So i vote daily, i still get 8k NX, 5k NX cards from bosses and other then additional pendants and all that junk, i’m a casual! What can i do with these? stores, chalkboards remains as a demand Include new Royal Boxes to gacha for untradeable time limited new NX, Cool looking mounts and chairs with a low percentage of them being permanent. These stuff from royal boxes to be limited editions and never to be re-released again as well. -Anyway ideas are just ideas, you guys probably can come out with way better things then these nonsense of mine. Sadly, this is simply to target the problem that the server is facing for many years. Vote2win, benefitting hackers tremendously and causing random bans to our player base, left and right. Its about time to look into it if anything.
let's not forget that like 95% of CS/WS comes from gacha. Also no more PGC/taru capes. Alot of good items are coming from gachas (e.g. skull crusher mace, taru totem, all kind of masks...) I get the fact that vote abuse is probably a major thing here, but these hackers can still buy aprs and make pretty much the same amount of money. Removing gachapon is a complex thing at this point if we think about that...
It's not removing gachapon completely from the game. Just only obtainable from in-game content. Example: A PQ bonus stage or PQ tokens giving gachapon tickets as and exchange. And if the servers direction is to remove the nessecity of HP washing, AP resets would become VERY devalued and not worth selling. As well as easily tracking who is selling massive amount of APR's, can give out if people are vote abusing to gain all those APRs. Or if VoteAbuse is generally allowed, (like other servers) APRs would be worthless.
All great points. NX has other ways of still being very valuable so the need/want to vote will still be there. And might solve a lot of other substantial issues in the server indirectly as well. But as I let this sit overnight, the Votes are substantially one sided to No. But no one gave valid reason to why they voted no. Lol are hackers fluffing the voting to not have precious Vote2win meta be taken from them? Interesting.
I was really disappointed to see the rewards from collecting the Tokens of Teamwork being NX items. I don't think anyone will care to collect them, personally. What would be a fair reward and at what cost (of tokens)? I would think an untradeable CS/WS would be cool to have at the very top of the points ladder.
I think a better solution may be taking away Vote2win and having NX be more attainable in-game (maybe 50-100nx rare drop from mobs- would have to be closely monitored if implemented and after autoban, possibly quests and PQs) to promote and reward active gameplay. Edit: As Joon mentioned previously, removing Vote2win hurts vote abusers/RWTers, which would help balance the economy for legitimate players, and also takes away the possibility of punitive perma bans on an already dwindling player base. Not to mention less work for staff and less personal information given from players with no longer needing the whitelist.
Assuming that all the players who play this server are online at the same time you check the counter is pretty terrible assumption m8. People play on different timezones, and for different lengths of time. While vote count show the votes across an entire day. Yes, there is a vote abuse issue. But this is not the way to visualize just how bad of a situation we are in.
^ Facts. There are also plenty of people who are not actively playing but are busy with irl and just voting so they can come back with a good amount of NX.
Man, just wait till the next time you go out to dinner and instead of one dinner, you have to eat the dinner of every family that will sit at that table over the course of 8 hours.
I just wanna see someone that voted no make a valid argument here. But I think the only one is, casual voting=mesos. Which is relatively selfish when you weigh the benefits of removing Vote2win.
This is just my opinion/suggestion on it as I voted no as well. Why not make the good stuff(CS/WS/some other good stuff that I'm not aware of) as low rate as possible? Make it as if you would need a miracle itself to get at least 1 cs/ws
That would make the problem worse. Decreasing supply of something that is so high demand, would only increase the amount of vote abuse for those items. Making things harder to get for the legit player base always hurts the players and not the abusers. They have the resources and morals to continue votespam and players would suffer.
why not make chaos scroll and white scroll tradeable only once? As such, if u really want to use it, u buy it off fresh from someone, and in turn, u either have to use it for scrolling, else you have an untradeable white/chaos scroll. This might also put off using white/chaos scroll as a commodity for RWT to take place
Sure thing: This change requires a complete overhaul of how players earn gacha tickets. This change has VERY large implications in all levels of play in royals, and as such, would require some extreme amount of testing and balancing, which is both bound to be off on release (and cause HUGE waves in the market) until a hotfix will be implemented (which won't future proof it to other unforeseen balance issues that might surface) and could also potentially contain many bugs on release. Looking at the release of the recent avoid bug doesn't give me too much hope in requesting game changing updates like this. additionally, this change also causes another issue, voter retention, and nx worth: if left unchanged, without the outlet for nx via gacha tickets, most nx in the server will move to buying aprs, dropping its price by a large margin, so the price of apr will need to change. Also, don't forget that to keep this server in public view, they need voting to be enticing for the user, or people might not bother voting as often. And lastly, the existance of hackers limit where the devs can put those gacha tickets. PQs are hackable, mob maps are hackable, so basically, lower lvl players will probably find themselves excluded from a system that in the past helped them blend into the market with gaining items and selling stuff. I don't want to see this game get consumed by the chaos of a radically new system that has very unquantifiable benefits.
I'm personally not 100% one way or the other. But just throwing this out there, that it could be viewed as vote to win, but at the time time, I think of how easy it is to go kill some area bosses, or easy bosses like Ephenia / Boar for some easy 5k drops (not all the time, but it's fairly consistent). When I think about voting for 8k nx daily, sure it's free mesos, but it's not like crazy amounts of progress. You gain more from playing the game, but when you're busy, you can still "gain" something. I'm not suggesting this, but I wonder how people would feel about lowering the daily voting NX, however that would harm newer players more I would guess.
There's a lot of what ifs. It could be very complicated. But, It would in theory end vote abuse, yet at what cost and how effective would it be. @LichWiz brought up some great points. Thanks. All valid theoretical situations that would result from such a change. Great points to be brought up again if this is ever a discussion within Royals Admin.
indeed, this is a lot of what ifs because i cant quite critisize a general suggestion. its far easier to pick apart a detailed suggestion like "do x y and it will cause z" than "do (general concept) that will hopefully achieve z, i leave the details to staff". not that im saying general suggestions are bad, but you will find less people that try and argue with you on the broad strokes, and instead they'd just prefer to leave a "no" on the vote and move on cause they "feel" this change is bound to be problematic. I noticed it many times in my suggestions, if im too general, there's barely a discussion going on, and if im overly detailed, a lot of people either skim through it (and argue against a small part of the suggestion and ignoring the whole), or TL DR and move on.
