Well in my opinion, MapleStory is first and foremost a PvE game without any official PvP elements. So the act of killing players without consent are naturally going to land someone in hot water. If the Royals community do wish to have some sort of free reign over other player's life, maybe make a separate discussion thread to collectively agree to designate specific channel(s) that contain some form of PvP leeway?
I did check the Ban Appeal. I'm kind of disappointed. Not sure when exactly (quoting some of the replys from other threads regarding this subject) sacks became something exclusive for quests/Lvl 200 partys or SS. Is not hard for people to find some Maplestory videos from 12-14 years ago that shows the classic and most popular uses for sacks in the first places, this became even some kind of meme experience in the game and was even supported by some original GMs back in the days because they indeed summoned really strong monsters/bosses in public places and low level areas (where characters died and therefore lost some exp aswell). This is relevant even if Royals is not GMS because it shows that not matter what some people want to allocate to Summoning sacks, it is part of the original content of the game that this server is about to, and what was one of the main purposes of the item, is unavoidable. That being said, there is a big great line between actually harrasing someone ig and make his or her game experience painfull (wich differs from something stupid as feeling bad about losing 10% of the exp, that is an intrinsic part of the game experience) and using the subjectivity of Tos and a moral discurse in order to find a way to punish this, is very unpleasant. I don't even see a point when it comes to sentence using bags when (only casually) targets afk character (even if they are buying leech). More than enough has been said in the other thread about this, i will only add that you can easily find imconsistencies there for the criterio to when it is good to use or not a bag, and it feels to me that is another way to defend, encourage and make it easier to people that plays the game like this. Anyway, i do really hope that aditional staff could do a check on this. And i wish Graces gets a fair outcome for her Ban Appeal.
Kekw during the peak of the CNY event there was a guy trying to steal my ulu2 map, he kept coming, cc'ing around, doing mapowner to check ownership, pretend to be afk/going afk for several minutes and attempt to claim mapowner whenever i went to npc, yes he was this persistent. Spoiler: For the no fun squad. What i was suppoed to ask him? CC pls? I don't want you to check map ownership back and forth every few mins? I know what are you trying to do covertly? That sounds pathetic and desperated. Had a sack, mobs knocked him from the platform and he died, i laughed so hard and the guy seemed to understand the message, went to another channel and never came back to my spot. No ban pls. Spoiler: on topic. Sack usage is situational, for what i know sacking lv 20s trying to form their party on kerning is disruptive as well so if we go that way, imagine...
What do you think if your character is dead when you come back from afk and saw there are sack mobs. I think you feel not good if that happened to you. Isnt this very simple ? Don't do things that you wouldn't want others to do to you. btw Idm using sack for fun purpose like 200 party or getting monster card.
I have already explained my stance in the shoutbox and how much I feel your ban is wrong. I hope they will lift your ban as soon as possible. If you afk in a map with monsters, you have to be prepared to die. If you buy leech and leave your computer, you have to be prepared for situations like dc/dying. Its like going to a Starbucks and leaving your personal belongings there and not expecting them to get stolen. That doesn't make sense. Boo hoo you lost your ipad because you left it on a table and someone stole it when you went to buy a drink, made your day miserable. You asked for it. #FreeGraces
what the actual fuck LOL I'm amazed that this shit ended as a ban, no one should be banned for sacking unless its a repeated and targeted harassment of an individual (for example, how mass defaming is handled). sacking was DESIGNED to be used as a greefing tool, no matter how i look at it. back in GMS, town sacking was one of the funniest and most chaotic fun i had (and thats coming from the guy who was always on the receiving end of sacking). also, if royals didn't want sacks to be used in an offensive way, they could've always not reward them in events and gacha as the other advantages of sacks are incredibly minor to the overall game. its a player's responsibility to afk in a safe spot, lounge is a button click away god damnit.
1. OP had mapowner 2. Reporter(s) were present and not afk 3. Reporter(s) were not in a safe spot 4. Reporter(s) were not just passing through as OP noticed them and had enough time to sack them and for them to die from it. Is this for real? This is the kind of petty yet wildly inconsistent strictness that has been getting Staff kicked out of guilds and sending your players to other servers for the past year or so. Like why do you even give out this item and then ban people for using it in a reasonable manner?
On top of what @UrbanJuggernaut mentioned, this thread is specifically about getting BANNED for sacking, which even if i afked in Hene and came back ded i would be mildly annoyed but not so much i would want the sacker to get banned.
So let me get this straight...a dude afks in a spot with monsters, big surprise he dies. He then blames the mapowner, reports them, and the GMs actually ban the mapowner for this? What the fuck. Talk about fucking petty and great way to enable this type of behavior. If you afk anywhere there is monsters and you die, that's your own damn fault. Maybe GMs should be focusing on real issues like hackers and rwters instead of banning a legit player for some bullshit.
I was about to agree with you about clarification to the T&C but after checking your ban appeal, I can understand why the GMs banned you. The screenshot you provided has you smiling over the dead person, so it is abundantly clear that your intentions were malicious. Even if it's one person and it's your map, the purpose of the objectionable behavior clause is to protect players against actions that are 'objectionable', like yours. Furthermore, the person did nothing to bother you and only afked in the map in a safe spot. Yes, it wasn't that safe since they got knocked off by your summon but the only other afk spot is the platform which also isn't safe, so there is no 'safe spot' in petris. They weren't disturbing you at all yet you sacked them anyways, starting this entire fiasco. Maybe you should own up to the repercussions instead of victim blaming. I get that sacking is nostalgic and funny but Royals is different from GMS. We have a functioning banning and blacklisting system in place so it is completely foreseeable that anyone could be banned for this type of behavior. Imagine a grandpa sexually harassing a woman and saying 'back in my day, this type of behavior was acceptable' well today it isn't so get with the times.
Well, sexuall harrasment is against the law in most place now, if they want to end the sacking saga in royals they should make it clear and not reward us with sacks, or atleast write it on t&c, they can't ban people when there is no rule against it and it wasn't even a mass killing, they could also die if he was grinding there and going on the rope, thats something you have to consider before you afk in such a map. & also, people need to get some proportion, its only 10% exp, if you fear so much of losing it, don't afk cause if you do you might die. (I never afk at maps other than FM)
Just wanted to jump in here and let you all know we are discussing both this current ban and the possibility/need for clarification on sacking other players. We understand that there is a lot of nostalgia to it and for the most part it seems harmless, while it can also be rather detrimental to other players losing EXP %. Please continue with the feedback on the thread subject of whether or not sacking should be bannable, and if perhaps there would be exceptions to a specific sacking rule if one were to be crafted. As for the current ban and the circumstances around it, we are reviewing all evidence to see if reverting it is necessary or not.
Theres a lot of things here that are completely wrong and the other 10% is.. for the lack of a better word.. uninformed. The reason he has a smiling face in the screenshot is because he was hit by a petri and if you played the game properly you would know that the F2 emoticon is triggered for NLs when they are hit. Look up "Shadow Shifter". But I'll give you the benefit of doubt as you must have leeched your entire char considering the way you are blindly defending the leeched "victims". So your opinion of him being 'malicious' is wrong. Secondly, since there is no safe spot in petris, the "victims" knowingly put themselves at risk of dying by afking there. You are contradicting yourself by pinning the blame on Graces. Thirdly, you mentioned that you read his ban appeal but you are suggesting he own up to his repercussions? He already admitted his act. The whole point of the ban appeal as well as this thread is to clarify what is bannable and what is not since clearly many situations like this arent codified and are gray areas. Clearly you have not read his ban appeal or you dont understand what he wrote. Lastly, I find it distasteful that you would compare summoning mobs on a pixelated mushroom game to the act of sexual harassment in real life. The two acts could not be more different from each other and your analogy is absurd. The only thing you got right in your reply is that you replied to the correct thread.
Ban for sacking should only be for: when one sacks individuals getting actively leeched (this is an interruption of someone's service) harassing someone with repeated targeted sacking
I said this EXACT same thing down to the exact detail to a friend when talking about this. Hard agree. If you don't want to lose exp, there is EXP LOSS INSURANCE built into the game (charms) at a very small price.
This. I could only add that if u sack a leecher u're probably not mapowner. But also i'm against a rule that you would have to own a map to sack someone.
