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    lmao, look this dude
     
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    Feel free to drop the coupon anytime :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah I get it man. But see, if you have no ill-will and are a normal person with morals.
    ( believing in what you do is what you get, consider this could happen to anyone and nobody would like to be treated this way)
    You'd have 0 problems simply giving it back.
    That's why my gut feeling say this guy knew what he was doing from the get go, he knew this guy is muling like this with said items and so happen to be there.
    Also, if you'd keep this item and wanted to sell it why oh why wouldn't you talk about it openly.
    Why do you keep secrets. Who are you doing a favor? Tim already gave you his confirmation. What more do you want? Nobody can touch you or the item.
    Heck. If I could keep it I'd just tell everyone to f××k off and let the person learn from it since he already mentioned he doesn't know said person.
    Like others mentioned this guy is two-faced. Hero and villain.

    A normal person would panic and just simply give it back, if you have ill-will or a plan on doing something like this you'd have a whole story planned out and probably written down somewhere on the computer.
    Seeing how he contacted tim as a first move besides "waiting 10min" why 10min? Why not 30min? Why not an 1hr? It's an item worth 32b.
    Also, how long was it on the ground? Items despawn after 2minute?
    So whatever story this guy added that the owner was afk is very unlikely.

    " I random CC and seee 3 chars afk. How long were they afk? No idea but an item was on the ground worth 32b" I wrote hello???? For 10min then went on to contact gm Tim to confirm I can keep said item." Tim said sure " I go sell said item for 29b since I feel good and I'm a good person?" Who bought it? Due diligence? "OH np it's the original owner no need"
     
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    In retrospect, what do you guys think about nany's bow now? :chillin:

    @Don help me out a little
     
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    You know what really gets me?
    If he’d already spoken with Tim about the claymore… it would’ve come as no surprise to bring it up in the ban appeal. Explain the income discrepancy.

    Instead he shows us a hand-picked screenshot of him “protecting” the owner; then complains of time and money lost in the ban appeal.
     
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    wasn’t that the stupid guy that intentionally listed his perfect nisrock in shop but didn’t leave meso in it to block people from buying it? omg what an accident
     
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    Goofy ass boy started a thread, exposing a "friend's" relationship problems to the entire community, but wants to protect the privacy of the person he stole from. I'M DEAD :pepez::pepez:
     
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    @Saledor ,

    Okay, please try to answer this time.

    So far the actions you said you've taken lines up with the victim story so i'll take your word for it, that you really did found the claymore lying on the floor when you entered that channel.

    What i want to know is, you claimed that you waited 10 minutes for the person to respond, presumably to return the claymore. So, why is it after waiting 10 mins, when the person finally replies with a "cc pls", you didn't bother to tell him that he dropped his claymore? Was "cc pls" rude? It was during the time where RG was popular, all maps were almost always taken, is being told to "cc pls" so surprising? People prepared their characters for multiple runs and people were snatching channels all the time, you should know this well since you did RG daily. After waiting 10 mins, one would think that he would at least mention that he found his claymore right? You didn't even TRY.

    It really seems like you are just finding excuses to justify why you couldn't return it there and then. From what i gathered from your version, you had a change of heart and decided to abandon your morals all because he told you to cc pls. You've obviously already made the decision at that moment when he told you to cc pls that you weren't gonna return the claymore.

    So, when you say things that happened later on like below,
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    (rhetorical) It makes me wonder WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING like you were still waiting to give it back when its clear as day that you had already made up your mind days ago? You didn't even bother to contact him, it was staff who told him where his claymore went. So he comes looking for you naturally, hoping he can get his claymore back, and your reason for not giving it back is because he was rude by telling you to CC when people were doing it all the time then? Really? Also, you said there were 2 other people there, but you 100% know its all his characters. You wanna know how i know that? Tell me who would xfer gears with 2 strangers on the map? Also, if the person told you to cc pls, chances are he would have told other strangers to cc pls as well, so you definitely knew it was all him yet you pretend not to, giving excuses again to hold on to the claymore. You also could have easily asked him to prove if the other characters were all him by asking him to log them but you didn't even try. Just rushed to close the conversation, kept communication to the minimum because it served in your favor. Its such a convenient excuse for you right? Telling him he's rude, and then telling everyone else that there were 2 other players there. So which is it then, was it because he was rude or was it because there were 2 other players? And because you didn't try at all, i know you are bullshitting with your intentions, you never intended to return the claymore, so WHY ARE YOU PRETENDING? Go ahead, prove me wrong. Show me that you tried.

    Also, why are you victim shaming him and gaslighting everyone else into thinking he was rude when he wasn't to begin with? Name what he said to you during your interaction with him that was rude enough that it made you not want to return his claymore. Just another convenient excuse to paint yourself in a better light. Stop trying to fool everyone with your theatrics.

    I have more questions for you but i don't think this should go on anymore so i hope you do answer it honestly this time if not i'm not gonna bother anymore. Also, please post the entire report not just the SS, you can censor the victim's name to protect his identity since that's been your get-out-of-jail card for everything
     
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    You keep assuming you were banned without evidence like we just wanted to magically check on your progress. Stop ASSuming. Also, you know damn well the appeal took longer because of info you withheld (not involving the claymore). Don’t try to skirt around that little fact my dude.
     
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    According to his logic and his own words;

    Telling someone to “cc pls” during peak RG when it was broken and everyone was looking for a channel = rude and toxic, deserves an apology after “his majesty” received such humiliation to his fragile ego

    Stealing a perfect weapon and then selling it back to the victim while gaslighting and manipulating him = nice and wholesome, doesn’t deserve to be blacklisted and completely normal behavior, nothing wrong here

    :confused:
     
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    Besides all the afterward toxicity, is taking items from someone that's drop trading not blacklist-able in general? Sure you're a dumdum if you drop trade valuables but whoever takes them is also just not a nice person, since you're taking advantage of someone else's mistake. If you find a wallet in the street and take all the money from it despite it contained ID I would also think you're a bad person.
     
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    there u go for people who wants to read
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/for-the-community.206171/
     
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    Which begs the question:
    What did he have to hide from his ban appeal?
    Why would you hide stuff even after being asked multiple times, even tho it could get you unbanned?
    I wonder what other surprises his past holds.
     
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    nani a villain frfr
     
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    While I dont intend to participate in dogpiling on Saledor I do want to correct some of the things he mentioned here and on other parts of the forum as what he shared here regarding his ban isn't entirely factual. At the same time I'm hoping to shed some more light on how a ban process works from the Staff side of things. I'll write this in chronological order:

    • April 26, Saledor obtains the perfect Claymore from the floor, proceeds with his actions, messaged staff, confirmed he can keep it as anyone dropping something means they surrender ownership of the item, even if they didn't mean to do so. This event was not against the game rules and we were aware of this happening.
    • Early july we get a detailed report on Saledor regarding his funds not making sense focused on the start of 2023 until july 2023.
    • We start an investigation regarding the report, look at previous reports on Saledor, dig into playing behavior and special occasions that may have occurred to boost wealth (for example winning a GM event and selling a peak prize or in his case: his earlier self-reported enrichment of 29B for the Claymore he found).
    • Our findings result in Saledor's obtaining and merching around onyx apples being very extraordinary. These items are also often used for rwt so we note down that some of these may have been obtained through illegal measures as the numbers don't add up. This was later questioned in his ban appeal.
    • There are other findings from our investigation regarding income and outgoing funds that we can't quite put together and would like him to explain which eventually resulted in his ban for suspicious activity on July 13th 2023.
    • July 14th 2023, Saledor appeals his ban, gets questioned about one of the topics we felt was most suspicious (onyx apples) which leads to more chat about his finances.
    • July 16th Saledor provides an incoming and outgoing funds breakdown for the start of 2023 until july where he's included the 29B from the claymore, which we were aware of, took into account prior to the decision to ban, and is not against the rules and income from all his other activities like farming onyx apples and merching but is still 29,5B short in his own provided breakdown, which was 30% of the total, as 'unexplained gains'.
    • While we understand that no player can precisely remember every transaction they ever did and we don't expect that from anyone, being 30% off for a 130B total evaluation in 7 months time is too large to simply accept as 'miscellaneous income/calculation margins on listed income' so the ban for suspicious activity still stands.
    • Between July 20th and August 10th we don't get additional information from Saledor regarding this gap in wealth, only requests for us to look at his appeal.
    • August 11th and 12th Saledor decided he should probably add more information for this to go anywhere and provides us with income he suddenly remembers specifically and provides screenshots of: various gifts from friends that quit that he sold for a total over 7B
    • Sept 4th~November 1st We still don't have a full logical breakdown and I got too busy irl to spend time on a big case like this to recalculate everything, I only focused on smaller tasks like account recovery and new small investigations like vote abuse.
    • November 11th we run through other suspicious activity of Saledor and debunk some other rule breaking theories. We also start our recalculation of his wealth internally in staff including more data from the use of mules for merching etc.
    • November 13th we summarize the whole case internally as staff and get our last thoughts out before we decide the outcome.
    • November 19th the decision is made: We hold a high standard to permanent bans and we don't keep them up if we're not 100% sure. We'd rather let someone go and find out we were wrong + redo a ban than have someone remain banned that may be innocent. After our latest calculations and Saledor's additional info that he provided mid august the whole incoming and outgoing funds bill is deemed unorthodox, but plausible. We also decide to compensate Saledor for the time he was banned however we do determine that the long duration of his ban appeal is a shared responsibility as he withheld information (gifts and the sale of them) that would help his case for whatever reason.
    Saledor was not banned because of finding a Claymore. At no point did we ask Saledor to reveal publicly where he got his Claymore or the 29B that he got for that from. We didn't question him about those funds in particular as he already reported that income. As described above we were looking for another 29,5B that was unexplained for the longest time.
    Saledor stated:
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    Which is false, this Claymore debacle / the 29B he gained from this was not in question regarding his ban for suspicious activity.

    Regarding Saledor stating:
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    I'd like to end this post and make a PSA for anyone in future ban appeals;
    If you think you can waste my time by withholding information because you felt like you 'wanted to be banned longer' I have bad news for you: I will simply close your ban appeal and your ban will remain once that comes to light.
    Don't make me spend unnecessary time on looking into your case.

    Going back on that statement doesn't change how we feel about that:
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    Thanks for the clarification and insights,
    i have a question regarding this point,
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    So does this mean he was still 22.5b short? And the 22.5b discrepancy is substantiated by theoretical analysis instead of hard evidence?

    If this is true, then damn, @Saledor you really do be treading on thin ice, making demands even after they gave you benefit of the doubt lmao. Be grateful that you even got unbanned in the first place. bEfOrE tAx
     
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    no the remaining amount is largely backed by hard evidence of mule character merchant sales. The eventual difference between calculated income and expenses had a much smaller and believable margin
     
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    Regardless, Saledor is going to have to be pretty careful now, because most of the community is disgusted by his behaviour and would not hesitate to report him for wrongdoings, and the staff would perhaps be unwilling to waste time on another frustratingly drawn-out ban appeal involving him, only for him to then claim he just wanted to be banned for longer, and to whinge that his compensation did not include his fast travel ticket before tax or whatever it was.
     
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