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How wrong is @Matt in this particular situation?

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  4. More wrong than pineapple on pizza.

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  1. Michael
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    Nowhere on the purchase page does it state anything about RP purchases being a donation. The title of the page is "Get RoyalPoints" and rates for the received RoyalPoints are listed directly to monetary amounts. The page directly calls the transaction a payment for virtual currency.

    Just thought I'd point out that the poster who claimed otherwise is wrong; this is indeed a purchase, not a donation.
     
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    Granting RP to an account should be a simple query, assuming it's similar to the query used to adjust the NX on an account, and they are very similar values in game as far as I can tell.

    The fact that there's multiple people who don't get the goods they paid real money for and whose threads have gone unanswered for weeks at a time is just ludicrous.

    So, constructive feedback.

    How about players who purchased RP, didn't get it, made a thread about the issue, and haven't gotten addressed by @Matt for a month are allowed to make a chargeback on their purchase and go unpunished?

    If they don't get their RP, Matt shouldn't get their money.

    No scam in either direction.

    The only argument against such an allowance I can perceive is that Matt doesn't want to get flagged by PayPal for all the users' chargeback complaints against him lol.

    Which wouldn't be an issue if he would give people what they paid for within a month. :confused:

    Also, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. Calling something a donation when everyone knows it's a purchase for a virtual good (RP) doesn't make it a donation. You can call a cat a bird, but that's not going to fly.
     
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    True, if you go off that page it doesn’t say, but the term used everywhere is usually donate to get RP, and it’s “donator” tag, not “customer” tag. Just trying to play devil’s advocate here lol.
     
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    He can try to call it a donation as much as he wants, but at the end of the day it's really obviously a sale where real money is exchanged for RP.

    If I opened up a stall where I said you can "donate" a certain amount to me and I'll give you an iPad, and then I don't give 10% of people an iPad an argue "it was a donation, I don't have to give you anything!", do you really think I'd get away with it? Especially if I have a massive sign on the roof saying "Get an iPad", kinda like this server's "Get RoyalsPoints" link.

    Either sell royals points or take donations and offer nothing in return. Enough with this silly sales system disguised as "donations".
     
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    That's rather irrelevant. The actual page one purchases the RP from says nothing about it being a donation, and there is absolutely no mention in the ToC about donations or even royals points. The purchase page does not link to any additional information that clarifies that it's a donation.

    Therefore, the only people who would know that it is a donation are people who actually visit the forum. Other people couldn't be reasonably expected to know.

    Infact, here's the reason it is all the way it is (I thought it might be for legal reasons, it is indeed): https://royals.ms/forum/threads/patch-01-01-17.86119/page-8#post-457905

    I think this settles it. It is a PURCHASE, not a donation, and to claim otherwise is breaching UK trading standards, the country that Matt resides in and Mapleroyals is based.

    So yes, you are entitled to your RP and I wonder where the thread to ban people who use chargeback fits into Paypal's ToC.
     
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    Well, knowing that making money off copyrighted content will result in shutdown, that should let people’s know that you’re “donating” and not “buying” unless this was created as a quick scam. That’s very far fetched tho so I’ll stop playing devil’s advocate from now on since it’s pointless.
     
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    No, I do agree with that. I can imagine that the reason it was initially donations was because of the whole "selling other peoples copyrighted property" thing. But then it clearly had to change to comply with the UK.
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/patch-01-01-17.86119/page-8#post-457905

    In essence, they are now just selling them. They have to to comply with the UK laws. That's what Nexon would see too, that the RP is being sold. Also, the server is technically illegal regardless of donations or payments. The question is whether or not Nexon feels it is worth their money to try and shut it down.
     
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    You're playing devil's advocate, and you're wrong lol. This is a purchase. Not a donation. Mapleroyals is not a non-profit organization lol. Matt is not a nonprofit.
     
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    As much as I want to support this I feel that 30 days is far too long. We're not talking about shipping crates of heavy machinery from China to Montreal. We're talking about a digital good that's as simple as making a couple edits. I expect a handwritten apology at this point lmao.
     
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    >Giving Matt your shekels

    Learn from this mistake and don't do it again.
     
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    Since this thread has become more of a discussion than providing feedback (granted, I don't know what feedback could be provided besides "Matt should respond to these inquiries faster"), I moved it to General Discussion.
     
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    Then again, what is the point of spending your time handling a server if there is no benefit?4
    Realistically, if you pay for something you would want it right away right? Considering it is virtual currency, it shouldn't take longer than a day or two.
     
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    @John, Sorry, but I really don't see how the content of the discussion is relevant to the theme of the post. The post is still feedback in and of itself. Just because the conversation derailed doesn't necessarily mean anything. The feedback is that Matt should respond faster and take pride in the shit that he attaches his name to. Regardless of what people are talking about in the thread, it's still feedback lol; albeit, I doubt Matt will read any of this regardless of where it gets placed. kek
     
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    I do apologize if I am missing something, but how does this thread differ from threads such as this and this and this and this? I only pulled a few notable examples, but I believe that nearly every feedback thread applies. These threads — including this one — all contain discussion, whether in support or against, regarding the feedback that the OP raised.

    Are we as a community not able to discuss feedback without risk of the thread being moved to "General Discussion"? If that is the case, I worry this discourages community participation in the "Feedback" section. I understand why the meme posts were removed as I agree that they are somewhat counterproductive, but I don't quite understand why this thread has been moved.
     
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    Fair points both of you so I moved the thread back to Feedback. As an aside, please do not insinuate that you are not allowed to discuss feedback. I think on many other servers this thread and many of the topics still open would have been locked a long time ago. The difference I see between this thread and the title of the others is this one is making an accusation and discussing the lack of response whereas the other ones are less clickbait titled and offer a suggestion as to what the feedback thread is about.

    A more appropriate title for this thread (imo) is something like "Matt Needs to Resolve These RP Issues"

    EDIT: The poll also doesn't help in this thread as it seems to make the thread more of a joke than actually serious feedback, although reading the content does make the reader understand it is more legit..
     
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    I'm not Matt, I can't speak for him and this is something only he can deal with. I am, however, a member of staff and am trying to do my job by keeping this thread and the forums moderated.
     
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    Did u get a reply
     
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    Don't nacro old posts please.
     
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