Hello Fellow Royallers, Lets waste no time and jump right into it. What is this about? This post is about our supposedly end game weapons! the level 110 Dragon Weapons! As this only applies to some classes, lets get into it! How many of you guys are do not like the fact that a baby level 77 maple pyrope weapon beats/ on par with our level 110 end game dragon weapons / ST / Crushedskull... etc. Because i personally do not like that(not that it means anything), and i dont think thats right (not that theres a right or wrong answer in this thats why theres a poll) as this makes it pointless for some of us to actually take the effort to get the dragon weapons, so much harder to get but of little benefit or none at all. ill just state some from what i know! 1) Maple Pyrope Sword/ Flame Swords(editted) is up there with our end game Swords, BW( crushed skull) & Axes 2) Maple Pyrope Crossbow is on par with Dragon Shiner Crossbow 3) Maple Pyrope Mace/Hammer/ Morning star outclasses Dragon Flame( this 110 weapon is dead and as good as non-existent but i'll still mention it anyway) 4) Sky ski beats Dragon Faltizan.... A maple spear has a chance of schooling Dragon Faltizan... Please tell me if im wrong (1)(2)(3), and also add in as i believe there are more to this. Thank you guys for reading and do vote in the poll above to let me know what you think about this!
Here's what I think of true end game. You will have a si mule or always be in a party with si. And with si, dragon claymore and dragon shiner cross significantly beat their maple counterparts. I can't choose any option in your poll because none of them reflect what I think nor what is true
Hi Geyforlife, the difference is not significant if we looking at both weapons, one being a 77 weap, and one being a hard to get end game 110 weap. Moreover, i have bossed in teams for a long time, i have a SI mule, but i can be sure to say that about half the community doesnt have a SI mule, and more than 50% of the time i zak without a Buccaneer, the number of buccaneers increased after the buff. But please dont assume there ALWAYS will be SI. A 77 Maple weapon without SI beats a 110 Dragon end game weapon, and with SI , the dragon weapon slightly goes pass the level 77 maple weapon doesnt sit well with me. A LEVEL 110 END GAME WEAPON NEEDS SI AND CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO BEAT A 77 Orc Kims tattered kitchen ladle. Thats besides the point, IN ANY CASE WITH OR WITHOUT SI, a level 77 Scooby-Doo Club Should NEVER EVERRRRR COME CLOSE OR EVEN BEATING an end game weapon 40 levels higher. something that Nexon obviously messed up.
I vote no, but not for the reason you stated, but rather: 1. Talking about lvl77 weapons, for example yes MAYBE a pyrope shiner cross can outperform a dragon shiner cross without si but we have to consider the availability of the weapon. I personally only know of 2 of them (and surprise surprise guess who's holding at least 1*cough*, the supply is INSANELY limited due to it being seasonal 2. None of them really beat our dragon weapons in optimal fully buffed conditions so the dragon weapons still hold the endgame spot. 3. Flame swords are flat out better than pyrope 1h swords so again, they are not the strongest in its type.
Hi Shnang! Never seen an MM with Perfect Dragon shiner xbow, but here u are HAHA! Yes exactly, dragon weapons are hard to get but of not much benefit, The moment a player considers a 77 or other lvl80 or so weapons as end game because the difference isnt significant or there are cases and situations that the dragon weapon loses, this got to be changed one way or the other. 1) "Optimal fully buffed conditions", slightly edges in dps. No buffed conditions, loses to a weapon 40 levels lower. 2) There are a handful of dragon weapons that downright lose to opposing level 64/77/80 weapon types, Regardless of Buffed or what not. Im sure you know those dragon weapons that are just complete trash because Nexon doesnt do playtesting Thank you for sharing your opinion! heres mine XD
this whole 'with SI' and 'without SI' is so dumb honestly when comparing theoretical damage outputs literally nobody lugs around SI. if you bring a buccaneer on a boss run it's basically a charity for them. liike a ride-along in a cop car SE on the other hand definitely take into account if you're bossing because it's a necessity i say keep the dragon weapons as they are, their high damage is offset by their secondary stat requirement. who gives a hoot if a maple weapon at lv77 can match it. jus tmeans you've got an awesome lv77 maple weapon
EXACTLY! i agree with ur SI point . But not the latter, we are comparing EQUALLY SCROLLED (Lower level weapons VS Dragon weapons) and there are cases that the level 77 or what ever the weapon is, beats the 110 Dragon Weapon, immediately, you know, something went wrong with the playtesting.
I agree to some extent. There are questionable balances implemented in the game.. I can give you another example, like how Polearms will do lesser damage when stabbing, rendering them entirely useless in the bossing scene. Even the dragon polearm is totally outclassed by a purple surfboard. It seems that the problem stems not entirely due to the existence of pyrope weapons but rather poor balancing between weapons. I think it's fine to have our pyrope weapons with a slight edge as I mentioned, they are seasonal and landing one of favourable stats (perfect) is actually rarer than perfect dragon weapons. Perfect dragon weapons are available from HT and gach, while pyropes are only around during anniversary events, and they're not even "farmable". Maybe you can see where I'm going with this
Do you have any calculations to back up your claims? Because besides spears, all META relevant dragon weapons (not polearms, spears, axes, blunt weapons) have the same speed as their maple counterparts with SI. So the difference between dragon and maple weapons is a very, very significant, and large with SI.
Hi Akash, there is no need for calculations, as im sure we all know that with SI... claymore, shiner xbow beats Maple Pyropes . But thats not the point im getting across. My point is, A level 77 Weapon, beats a 110 META Dragon weapon, and only under some conditions of SI/stopper/etc, the 110 Dragon Weapon then beats the 77 Weapon. Then we now look at the other 70% of the Non-Meta Dragon weapons, they get schooled over by maple weapons with or without SI. and thats that. thank you.
You might find this thread interesting: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/buff-the-red-katana.107690/ The discussion sort of devolved into sarcastic nitpicking and condescension, and some of my comments did not age well at all, but you may come across some valuable thoughts. One perspective is that many people have put effort into scrolling and perfecting their Pyrope weapons, because of their endgame potential. Also, as Shnang pointed out, Pyrope weapons aren't available all the time, as opposed to Dragon weapons. Maybe with other weapons like some BW and axes being buffed, buffing Dragon weps could be considered, but I don't think it's realistic. Anyway, Sky ski beating Faltizan is okay, but Pyrope isn't? You can't have it both ways.
As someone who doesn't play warrior, can someone (quickly) explain why they're not as good? The only ones I really know of are DPS which are better than RCs.
Hi Hwaiting, i guess you are right, that makes sense, people are putting in effort into perfecting / scrolling those weapons because they have potential to become an endgame weapon. But thats just how it is, if reverse weapon comes out, the same could be said. But your right anyways! Well, like you said, perhaps buffing those ('non meta') dragon weapons that need to be buffed. Sky Ski is included, not just maple weapons, the whole topic is our Dragon weapon gets put down by some other weapon 30-40 levels lower. Thank you so much for actually sharing your opinion!
While what you say make some sense, i see it as "too late" to rebalance. If, lets say, GMs decide that it is absurd, what will they do exactly? Nerf all pyrope weapons, that people invested a lot of resources in? Not to mention that i dont think they can just go around and tweak every weapon's stats effectively. Or do you suggest to maybe, just buff newly minted dragon weapons? That would massively devalue current "perfect" weapons, prepare to hear outroars... Idk, this entire conversation feels pointless when every suggestion would massively affect the market, just for the weak justification of "it doesn't sit right with me".
Hi Yuval. Yes, thats without a doubt, we will hear the outroars of the players if that happens, but if it changes for the better in the future, why not? you see games that buff and nerf certain stuff, outrages always happen every patch regarding this. (NOTE : I do not think this is absolute right) hmm.. What about buffing the other Dragon Weapons that are no where close to even qualifying as an end game weapon? what do you suggest about this one? "it doesnt sit right with me" is not my justification to this topic, but rather i want to see how many players think alike. Thats all, this is just a suggestion that i thought will be interesting to bring up and that in my opinion, is a step-up if implemented. then again, i really appreciate everyone giving their opinions and this help me know what people think about this. Thank you!
When an update comes out that vastly shifts the meta or market, it usually have a really good reason behind it. Bucc buff was huge, and it did shift the meta, but it was for the justifiable reason of bucc's damage rendered them undesirable in boss runs. Summon pet pickup nerf caused stopper prices to double, but it was to further hinder botters from becoming rich by doing nothing. Your suggestion would massively devalue certain end game weapons if implemented, but would it really "help" anyone and make the game any better if one of said weapons would top the other? This is what i mean by "it doesn't sit right with me". It only "makes sense", but doesn't really solve an issue that plagues the playerbase. The end doesn't justify the means on this case Edit: as for buffing unused dragon weapons, I'm mostly for it, as right now they have no value, no market will be damaged, heck it might make a new one. But it will need to be done with care so that they will be brought up to par with the other dragon weapons for that class, and not power creep them
