Golden teeth. A foot stone to getting yourself into Zakum. While hunting them yourself is a momentous task and buying them is a crippling experience we need to talk about how the economy is being effected by botters and illegitimate methods of obtaining these Golden Teeth. Normally these are around 3mil each and are a good spot for beginning characters to possibly make some side meso just like stopper farming. However it seems every couple weeks the market is flooded with a random offload of them dropping the price very swiftly to around or less than 2mil. These are some of our favorite Ban Appeals when someone gets caught with a ton of golden zombie teeth and can't explain how they got them other than they got them from their brother or something of that nature. So we have a problem.. Let's solve it the simplest way we can without effecting the market more than it already is often enough. My proposal is this... 1 Zombie's Lost Tooth + 1 Gold Plate = 1 Golden Zombie Tooth Craftable via El Nath Smither Now this causes one issue of income for legitimate players, however would also increase the price of gold ores/plates to offset to some extent. You don't have to remove the drop from Miner Zombies of the golden teeth just add the craftability. Thus dropping the price of finalized Golden Zombie Teeth, effectively getting rid of the botters and positively effecting the grind for new players just trying to farm their 30 so they can get their zakum helm. One downside of this would be the devaluation of Eyes of Fire which is already heavily mitigated from selling Zakum Helm carries, the 5k NX Zak normally drops and Gen20 where applicable. Let me know what everyone thinks. I feel like this would be a worth while step to discourage illegitimate methods of funding.
Good idea but i think 1 gold plate is too easy to obtain and would fluctuate the golden tooth market even more. Maybe say 200 Zombie tooth + 5 ~ 10 Gold plate = 1 Golden Tooth would be better?
The point isn't to maintain the value of golden teeth, but to drop the price to make it not worth while for botters to farm them while also being more or equally accessible for new players.
But in the current meta, 1 EOF (gold tooth = 3m, 90/5 = 18m each) = 5000nx (worth 25m), it's already unbalanced. With the drop of the price on gold tooth, how would a party to decide who to drop eof?
Change the meta. Group organizer gets it or sell to buyer. 5k nx shouldn't be the end all of decisions. Essentially this would make the server more resistent to botters while also making milestones easier for new players
There's a million other things that can be botted if gold teeth are removed as one of the good items. They won't suddenly go away because we artificially make gold teeth worth less.
That doesn't seem like sound logic to me. Let's not address an issue, because the issue persists in other areas of the game also. Getting rid of one of the "go to's" for botters and working your way down the line is exactly what you do if you are trying to combat a problem. Difference between the "other" items that can be botted and gold teeth is the undying need for gold teeth compared to say like other decent mob drops that would be farmable like Helmet for Dex 60% which has already been destroyed on the market going from 4.5m last year to under 2m this year. All I really do in this game is merch so you can see the effect botted items have on the market and gold teeth is a huge one everytime a batch of illegitimate ones hits the market to the extent that I refuse to buy anymore than the absolute minimum for my characters to complete the quest. Never do I buy them for flipping due to the giant issue that persists.. So I guess my thing is if you have issues why not get rid of one of the biggest ones then you can focus more time and resources into other aspects that need attention.
Well part of it is its very easy to track people who bot gold teeth. However if gold teeth become worthless, its anyones guess where they go. As for "working your way down the line", you cant make every item worthless to combat botting. Might as well limit trade while youre at it- which historically has killed games lol. What about accidentally banning good legit players by accident? Would sort of put a damper on a less than perfect auto ban release.
Working your way down the line doesn't mean making every item worthless. It means coming up with individualized solutions for each issue that arises, which I am sure Royals has done so previously.
Silver deputy stars, hp quest etc, mithrils and steels, silver mane quest etcs, dragon scales/spirits, I can keep going, there are way too many farmable items on the market to get rid of all of them. Im sure some hackers are smarter and figured it out, but teeth are not the only thing out there right now, and we've already seen a lot of hackers going for hp quest etcs. The hackers will find a way around everything, as much as I would love to make it harder for them, changing the way gold teeth work is not going to be the solution.
Fair points. Mithril and Steel would be a huge one for sure. Dep stars since only one completion per char and level 80 requirement not real sure on that. Mane quests and hp quest etc items are surely a target as well. I guess I was kind of narrow minded on what I had been seeing in the free market because of the volatility of the teeth as they rise and drop compared to every other item on. At least one redeeming factor of the others is that they have reached a basically solidified priced in comparison. Was just thinking you only need a level 60 char and they can farm with no other requirements for golden teeth, but good points none the less.
True, but in hindsight I’d rather gms deal with false bans than tracking hacker igns constantly it gets tiring after awhile knowing that the second you find one, they’ll just make another account and go back to doing it again. With an imperfect autoban at least we know it’s catching those random accounts that DO hack instantly, lesser of two evils imo
Unfortunately, the ones that got false banned might not take it kindly and might use it to flame the staff for being 'bias' or intentionally targeting them for no reason
Crafting them is kinda problematic, that's just as abusable cause hackers would be able to sell gold from any mob instead. Another solution would be to make them untradeable quest item, but have the droprate increase. That would mean that for zak preq every chara will have to farm on their own. I suggest something like a daily quest from the zak prequest guy, where you get an untradeable item like the fire orb from the pq or the breath of fire from the jq, that would be used to make EoF. The end result would be that even if a hacker decides to abuse golden teeth farming, he'll be limited to making 5 EoFs a day, and he'd have to somehow cheat the pq and jq as well. For normal players, the only change is that they'll need to self farm the teeth instead of buying them, but as i said, the drops should be buffed for that quest. That would also keep some of the EoF's value cause crafting them would take more time, time = money.
From the hackers I've caught, there seems to be a meta combining kami and lvl 43 pyrope weapons allowing them to power level easily. Ive caught many hackers that were 1st job but around 120-140, so I doubt it will be a problem for them. I can add pictures later from my pc if you want to see how that looks like.
