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My guy, please, how many more times is this back and forth going to take place here?

Would you be happy if the thread owner listed you under 'disruptive behavior' or 'toxicity' instead of 'harassment'?

We can keep arguing over the technicalities here but I for one believe your name should be on this list one way or another just off of what you did alone. That's before even reading all of the incessant arguing on this thread.
It doesn't matter if the reporter thought you were waiting to just do it again and was wrong or if you were actually afk.

People paid for leech. Because they were afk (as is usually the case for leech buyers) their service could not be completed and the seller had to seek them out to issue a refund for the entire leech duration, effectively wasting that day's worth of time earning mesos off of leeching.

It's really, really not that deep. Just move him from the 'harassment' subtitle to the 'toxicity' one.

 

This is going around in a circle at this point.
I moved @halfwaysleet under toxicity instead.

Just to clarify, I have made changes to the blacklist over the course of my secretary time. One of those changes was creating a toxicity category for those cases that are legit, but doesn't fall under any of the usual categories. It's a "general" category if you will. Harassment was the best category to put you in at the time if I have to guess, and depending on people's point of view is still valid, but for the sake of not letting this go on any further than it has to, I will honor your wish.

 

Do not shao with adcjess and pawbucc and any of his other accounts. He afk'd throughout shao and then quit.

 

Awesome, just glad that my alt being incorrectly categorized as a harasser was acknowledged. Although it took roughly 2 years and several messages of insistence, I am much happier having that ign being listed as having done something you deemed to be toxic rather than for "harassment". Thanks for the consideration.

 

1. IGN: Pomeio
2. Reason: Not paying upon agreement.
3. Details: Requested for 400 APRS but not paying after i've passed to him.

Disclaimer: Just to alert the community about cases as this. I am aware that my SS doesnt fulfill the requirements.

 

For the record, I paid you 465m for 50 aprs but you never dropped once i fully paid. i first offered to pay for all of your aprs once you drop them, but you traded me and chatted that you prefer to receive cash first. I said I was ok paying for 50 aprs upfront at a time as test trade. once i entered the amount in the trade, you chatted that you needed to go to the cash store to buy the aprs. so i waited for you. instead you cc'd to another channel and i traded you again. once you rejected the trade, that's when i bought a smega. You conveniently left out those screenshots...

My only mistake is that i didn't record this whole transaction.

 

You also conveniently left out that you traded me with a mule called Store111 not vPresident

 

xPresident is accusing you of scamming ~4b. You (Pomelo) are accusing xPresident of scamming 465m.

I find it hard to believe a 2-years old player would scam a 2-months old player for a mere 465m. And judging by his post history, he had been actively playing the last 2 years, is in a prominent guild, and clearly has gears worth way more than 465m.

Every sentence in your post contradicts what you said in xPresident's screenshots. It seems your smega is preemptive, in an attempt to gain an upper hand, and, from being accused of scamming. Furthermore, if we look at what is not present, versus, what is present, if you had paid him 465m upfront, and he had "cc'd" away, why didn't you whisper him? Instinctively, that would have been the first response anyone would make and that would have been reflected in his screenshots. Additionally, why didn't you take any screenshots after you got scammed? That would be the second response anyone who just got scammed would do (as xPresident did). To top it all off, in the trade window screenshot xPresident had posted, why were you acting blur, like nothing had just transpired, if you had just been scammed?!?!?

 

I didn't trade vPresident - I traded a lvl 7 mule named Store111. So I wouldn't know how many months or years this player has been playing.

Since you're making assumptions, I'll make one of my own:

Perhaps he was using a lvl 7 mule so he could scam and get away with it? If you were planning to scam someone, you wouldn't want to scam someone with a character that has been actively playing in the last 2 years, from a prominent guild, and with gears worth way more than 465m, right?

 

And...

after scamming your 465m with a lvl 7 mule...

He could have just logged off and never logged into the level 7 mule again...?

Instead...

He decided to:

• Smega for your guild leader with his main linking him to the lvl 7 "scam" mule
  
• post here on community blacklist with his main, and again, linking him to his mule
• post screenshots of the deal with Store111 clearly in the chat

Being a 2 years-old player....

knowing full well you could have your own screenshots or video recording...

which could have been made him look like a complete donkey...

Spoiler

I think everyone wants to give you the benefits of doubt, but at this point... it is kind of apparent, you are just making things up as you go along...

 

That's exactly what he did - he never logged into the lvl 7 mule again after I smega'd about his scam. I tried finding Store111 again but he was already logged off. He then went to trade me with from a character I didn't know was his.

You're accusing me of being preemptive but that's exactly what vPresident is doing by reaching out to my guild mates after my smega and posting screenshots that don't show the full conversation. He knows deep down that he scammed but he thinks he can reverse the narrative because of his reputation within the community.

Check the screenshots again - he didn't show any of the APRs that I allegedly didn't pay for so I don't know what you mean by "screenshots of the deal.

 

If xPresident wanna use lvl 7 mule to scam, he could just log off and do nothing.
he doesn't need to log on his main character to engage you, contact your guild, post it here.
he could just transfer Meso and delete his lvl 7 mule and start over without anyone know about it if he's scamming.
Beside, he has screenshots showing you want to pay after, and said fully paid, and no engagement after you got scammed other than that Smega.
Unless you have evidence, otherwise I don't think people will buy your story sadly.

If you truly think you're the one got scammed, I think you could report to GM for "Scamming" and GM might check the log to see if you're lying or not. (Not 100% sure and might take a while)

*Always take screenshot of trade transaction with fully detail and date

 

Everything you had claimed against XPresident are contradicted by XPresident's screenshots.
If we were to look XPresident's screenshots from back to front. SS3 -> SS2 -> SS1 -> SS, it would contradict every single thing you said.

Your claims:
- You had paid him 465m at the start
- Store111(XPresident) had to purchase APRs on the spot and had gone into CS
- Store111 (XPresident) had changed channel to avoid you.
- You couldn't contact Store111
- Therefore, you smega and called him out
- You were scammed 465m
- xPresident logged into his main to confront you.
- You were like "?" after getting scammed 465m for APRs?

Spoiler

Let's look at the screenshots in reverse.
- If you had paid him at the start, why did you say "I'll pay once all dropped" at the start?
- If he had gone into CS and did not transfer the APRs, why did you say "ready". Why did XPresident say "200", the mid-mark of a 400 APRs trade?
- If he had changed channel to avoid you, why was the duration between your first interaction with him "I'll pay once all dropped" to "ready" to "fully paid" longer than the duration between "fully paid" and your smega claiming he scammed you? He transferred you the APRs during the time, didn't he?

- Let's say you had been scammed and you didn't know vPresident is Store111. Why did you say "?" after vPresident confronted you and he clearly said "for the APRs".
- If you were truly looking for store111, after getting scammed and getting confronted by xPresident with his main, why didn't you say, "you are store111?" or "where are my APRs"?, instead you said "?", a statement that feigns ignorance.
- Why is xPresident doing all the confronting if he had been the scammer?
- Why would xPresident logged into his main to confront you if he intended to scam you and could have just logged out?

Or did you think, because a lvl 7 traded you, he could have been a vote abuser. Out of crime of opportunity, you decided, why not, he's going to get banned anyway and just scammed him?

You scammed him ~4B worth of APRs, didn't you?

At this juncture, your only move is to dispute the authenticity of these screenshots. But since you haven't, and had accused xPresident of cherry picking parts out, is indirect evidence that the conversation in the SS took place. Sadly, this server doesn't ban disgusting scammers like you unless there are official screenshots. And even if banned, you still get to keep the s*** you scammed after your ban ends. Wish we could go back to 2016 when Admins would access trade logs and reverse the scam trade

 

Along with what others have already said, it is interesting to see you smega for J> zak just 10 min after getting scammed. I think a lot of people would be too bummed to start bossing that early.

Not to say you're guilty or not, but an odd observation.

 

Kinda crazy people can scam 4b and not be banned. Not a miscommunication, not a d/c, not an accident, people can scam bills, come on here and fabricate some bullshit story and face barely any repercussions.

 

Alas but 4b is only 8 rolls of chaosing/wsing equivalent. Not too much in the grand scheme of things.
I think even at the end of the day if the players don't get added in the list for this 1 off incident, I'd be sure to be wary of them at the very least...

 

I get that both parties are at fault, and this could've been avoided to some extent, but 4b even to me would've set me back quite a bit. I'm lvl 200 and I've been here about a year. Not only that, but it's quite shitty to know that the server has people who would do something so malicious, to directly scam another of their earned funds. At least with minor vote abusers, they indirectly hurt the server and may not understand the magnitude of their actions. This on the other hand, directly hurting another person right to their face and then making some bullshit up in an attempt to slander them is much worse imo, much more malice. With how small and tight knit the community is, its disgusting.

 

Record your drop trades, but even so:

If you don’t trust the person (low level, no guild, susp) or the deal seems to good to be true (APR to cs/ws 60:1 QUICK FAST!!1!1) It probably isn’t worth the risk.

If you can pay in meso, just do the 9x aprs per trade please, it really is worth the time sink to make sure you don’t get scammed.

If you must drop trade (cs to apr), always do 50/50. Make them drop half the amount then trade the cs/ws. If they refuse, just don’t deal with them. I don’t care how good the deal is, if they’re not willing to go half upfront first I never drop trade.

If you REALLY must trade cs/ws first. Do one at a time. Do not trust them with like 4cs/ws in a single trade waiting for them to next drop 200+ APRs.

 

IGN: penoy
REASON: Slander us
DETAILS: cpq2,As he want,we summoned[death teddy],but he was angry and quit,then Slander us "idiot &noobs"