Forum The deletion of comments & The Ban Hammers

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    100% agreed
     
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    Thank you, will do my best in the forum moderation

    For the ones that dislike me, probably cause I am seen as being too strict, or having a rude tone (will work on it)
     
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    Minor Update: The Staff will review whether I have committed any "power abuse" as mentioned in this thread.

    Regarding the suggested improvements to the permanent ban duration, please submit them through the appropriate channels (Feedback). This thread is specifically meant to address the actions I have taken as a Forum Moderator, including the allegations of over-moderation and potential power abuse.
     
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    uhh how is the viability that instead of removing the whole text of those comments you think is improper, use a spoiler to hide them, and insert a special banner or anything that's only accessible to staff to indicate the brief reason of censorship. (Unless it's an obvious trolling/spam/advertisement)
    I personally think in this approach there will be less dissatisfaction/complaint rising among the community.
     
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    To be clear for the staff reviewing this, the problem is not just power abuse/over-moderation (ie was the ban justified), its the poor reasoning for 3/4 of Dave's points which im curious about what his and the staff's stance are.

    Again, if the "acoustic" comments are enough for ban, sure, but the outcome is not the only issue here
     
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    Using a spoiler would still be editing the comments

    Staff can view the deleted comments, as well as the reason
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    End of the day, staffs are also human, they made mistakes too.

    I dunno what IRL problems u have, but don't bring ur anger up here with us. Mature players don't bring theirs to u.
    Being a JACKASS to players who respect u and other staffs, would undoubtedly make them change their tone and views to become the same jackass back to u.

    I think fixing ur rude tone is a great start - I will work on mine with u after this post too, but I do not have high hopes for the staff review, wont it be a very biased review since they need a FM around ?

    Im glad we can finally address this issue as a community.
     
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    There's a change in the situation due to the details about his in-game ban

    Please refer to the latest reply on the Ban Appeal - https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ban-appeal.241447/#post-1491442

    Note: this does not mean this thread (about my moderation) is automatically closed, players can still Feedback about it
    The closure will be done by another Staff upon reviewing
     
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    You may provide examples of me being a jackass to other players or submit a forum report about it (if you prefer to keep it private).
    Note: No warning points will be issued for forum reports addressing instances where I may have been a jackass or used a rude tone.

    Just because the Staff need a Forum Moderator does not mean I should be defended for any kind of power abuse. The same applies to any other Staff members, including GMs.

    It’s difficult to have a meaningful discussion if you have already made up your mind that Staff will defend me regardless, even in cases of power abuse.
     
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    I would say using improper reasons as points to build a case for banning someone is being a jackass, still waiting for your response to 3/4 of your points which you asked me to specify
     
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    ... and looks like we are back to square one !
     
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    is it possible to restore dez's post btw? just wondering
     
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    I have already provided my reasoning and POV in my initial response

    But you disagreed with it, so there's nothing else I can add on

    I am not sure where are you going with this response

    I have acknowledged the points made and requested clarification (the examples of me being jackass)

    I don't know how to proceed if you guys just gonna keep calling me "stupid"
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    It's possible to restore, but I do not wish to edit comments anymore (as per players Feedback), hence I can't restore it

    Dezperadows (@tittyboyy) may post the relevant text (while excluding the problematic parts), the WP DM I sent to him contains the entire paragraph so he's able to refer

    Note: please refrain from using "acoustic" or any other insulting terms when addressing the perma-ban
     
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    Okay now youre going a bit haywire here, (and thisll be the last time i type this word i dont know why seeing the word is offenseable) saying the word "autistic" or any stand-ins for it is not wrong is it? Some people are austistic and theres nothing wrong with it, the problem is using it in a derogatory manner. Using it as a quote to reference a comment made shouldnt be any grounds for punishment christ lmfao

    +1 to overmoderation
     
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    Twisting words is not helpful at all here. Stick with constructive feedback and criticism for Dave, if you have concerns about his moderation style. Nobody ever said that you can't use the word "autistic". Dave just said that you can't use the word "acoustic", or any other derogatory terms to talk about permanent bans. Nowhere has he said that you cannot use appropriate words to talk about neurodiverse people (e.g. "autistic" is OK, whereas "acoustic" is generally seen as derogatory) in a relevant context.
     
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    I already mention if u are gonna work on ur tone then I am also gonna work on my tone with u, but it seems u choose to drag the matter by asking me like that, as well as NOT providing full context of Jackass ( u like to bring full context to words , quite an irony that u miss out the full context that it can also be Jerk instead of Stupid )

    By asking me to provide examples - from all ur bickering from private reports and u asking for GPQdata for certain possible bugs that would very long generate from player instead of testing it from a dev's side via command summoning and killing.

    Editing in below : I accidentally pressed Enter too early.
    For GPQ case...
    From one of ur case of being a jackass, u asking players to provide data on GPQ runs when Ergoth chair drop was bugged.
    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/ergoth-throne-chair-seems-not-drop.226539/

    Which a player has to rerun 1 full gpq run for just 1 ergoth data instead of getting a dev to test summon a ergoth straightaway in a few seconds.
    Instead of voicing it out to dev, u did a blockage on the matter by not informing dev first but rather wish to get data from players first.
     
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    Not sure how to respond if you still mad at my responses in your report despite we have concluded the matter at the time

    Sorry for being a jackass (or jerk) by requesting players to submit relevant info and details before requesting Devs to review
     
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    Okay so is it derogatory when i refer to the comment made using the word "acoustic" (because that word was used there and dave asked to address his specific notes) as you just did yourself? That is what dave said:

    "Note: please refrain from using "acoustic" or any other insulting terms when addressing the perma-ban"

    Also i referred to "stand-ins" as well if you want to be a stickler for specifics
     
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    Obviously it is not. If you don't see the difference between that, and what Dave is actually referring to, then that's your problem - not Dave's, and not mine.
     
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