Hardcore Dojo (harder than you thought)

I never once said that I was carrying people. Based on what you previously said, i specifically said

I DO solo this pq. Because I want points is as little time as possible. I am not aiming for the medal, simply because its not worth the time with it being an expiatory item. Even with it being "party capable", you don't need anyone else with you until the last 5 bosses. Manon, Griffey, Pap, Levi, and Panda. Because every other boss is simply 1hit and passed on until Manon, save for like 3(?) other bosses.

 

you are allowed to solo, or enter with a party. I understand that the Dojo pq is a public Party quest. Anyone is allowed to do it. Lets use the manon boss as an example. anyone is allowed to kill it and i don't have to tell you why.
So if you want to solo it, you are more than welcome to do so. and if you are not aiming for the medal, then don't do it. No one is forcing you.
i will not investigate you for for the actions you take simply because that is a (greedy behavior (if i investigate you).
you are welcome to do whatever you want,
but the medal should not be permanent, my arguments are in my 1st post. I am still going for the medal

Thanks happy mapling.

 

Investigate me for what? Lmfao. I'm sorry that you take offence so easily to a discussion (not sorry at all actually) and begin to try to make things personal and off topic because you enjoy drama.
My post is discussing This Dojo medal. Not a personal grudge against people. Stay on topic.

The medal is for too unrewarding for the time spent to obtain it. Even the witch belt lasted 60 days or so. And it could be scrolled to the same attack as this medal pretty easily. Albeit luck had something to do with it. The medal expiring for the amount of work is too high. If you can go through every boss and it accumulate all at once. Sure. Make it expire. But if not, I personally believe it should be permanent.

 

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what do u mean i try to make things personal? i am discussing about the Dojo medal, and i used an example to support my arguement. "no one is focusing you to do the medal". Am i not allowed to use examples in discussions?
anyway. I believe the medal is too overpowered to be permanent and it is not not fair for the low levels to work really hard just to get a 1 stat boost on the quest medal, meanwhile, the high level peoples get a 5 attack boost. i was reading other comments and i agree that the best medal should be the lvl 200 3 attack. that is a achievement to lvl 200. 5 attack medal permanent for a level 150 is not a achievement. people worked really hard for the quest medal. Not fair for other people.
I feel that the medal should last for 30 day. Take a look at the Purple witch belt for example, people have 15 attack belts for 90 day. and used it a lot of time in bosses. when the purple belt first came out, it was permanent. and realized it is too overpowered. Even 90 day is too overpowered. this is the exact same as the Dojo medal.

 

We discussed at length whether the medal should expire or not, how long it should last for if it does expire, and if it may be earned repeatedly.
Having it be 90 days expiry and a one time reward was the result of long talks of pros and cons. I don't think a change will be made, however a good friendly discussion about it is always welcome. I did have a thought of making it a repeatable reward with a lower time duration, but ultimately the majority was in favor of the original mechanic of a one time expiring reward with a longer duration.

 

the medal should be repeatable..
what do you all think?

 

repeatable 15/30 days medal sounds fair?

 

I'm glad to hear you already discussed it at length and didn't make it permanent. In my opinion it's the right move, because once again, I really think the lvl 200 medal should be the best in the game as it is more or less the ultimate goal to reach level 200 on a character.

I would have nothing against the possibility to make it such that you can get the medal more than once though, IF it is impossible to have it at all times. Or in other words, the medal would need to expire after a short duration and take a long time to get. So that you can have it like 25% of the time or something like that.

 

each boss 100X and this stepwise progression is a ridiculous amnt of time

color me surprised if literally anyone has the patience to do it. a 300 hour commitment is outrageous.
For most of the medal challenge until late stages it isn't at all a measurement of skill or gear like a boss run it's purely a test of not having ur mind numbed through repetitions of dojo

but it could just be me, i couldn't even do lpq 35X for the glasses because it was too repetitive

 

abit off track but yes i feel people collecting medals is to show if off to others. Can i suggest that theres the buyback medal system with an increasing cost per buyback with a cap to the price?
Because knowing that once dropped, i cant get back and wear those medals, it really deters me from going around to collecting medals. I like this server cuz of the nostalgia and all and the medal collecting was something i enjoy. But it died down when i found out i couldnt buy them back after dropping so i stopped my medal progress.
Same for some medals that require monster books (saint exorcist). << Really want this because i like how the medal looks and its gna be something nice to show off since many people will be put off the hardwork to earn it. Which in itself makes all the acquiring of the medal more gratifying

Edit : Why not make the medal so that when it expires, it expires in a way it loses its stats but its still there so medal collectors can still wear it for show? Same with the christmas miracle medal and maybe others that im not aware of yet

 

You can actually buyback those perma medals from the medal NPC. And I like the idea of keeping the medal without its stats but tbh I don't think this idea is worth the trouble of making it this way due to the fact that many wouldn't be bothered about it cause stats>appearance most of the time.

 

Oh serious ?! Didn't know i could buy them back, thanks ! Well the medal could have its stats for the limited time then become just a show item. Then those that want the stats worth can continue to "renew" by getting a new limited one while those collectors can just do it once. Thats what i feel would be better

 

Sorry. Necroing this thread rather than making a new one as I feel it’s better to build on previous discussion :’).

We’re now 8 months since the dojo patch. Correct me if I’m wrong but I haven’t even heard of anyone remotely close to getting this medal. Or (m)any people aiming for it.

I won’t repeat extrapolated data but would like to correct one thing - even players who are repeatedly farming red/black belts to cs would not be anywhere near this medal, the way its mechanics are designed right now (and I don’t know that many people have the patience to farm belts rn - dojo has minimal exp gain, no monetary gain and that’s actually quite unique in the realm of best-in-slot items in the game at present).

Granted it has been discussed at length before implementing, did any staff expect this? Other collector-oriented medals (permanent, may I add) such as Quest Specialist and the Legendary Collector have people aiming, progressing and obtaining them and certainly these medals, or buffs of these medals have been introduced after Dojo came out.

I’m asking for this to be rediscussed, because with our patch frequency going down to 4-5 per year now it is really, really sad that we are introducing content that is irrelevant and/or impractical for the player base. Whilst this may be a small issue of many we have on Royals right now, I feel it’s important to raise because this is content introduced in 2019 - are relevance and practicality to current players still a consideration from the staff’s point of view?

 

If people invest 300 hours+ for a 2 attack gain, compared to the lvl 200 medal, it should be atleast available for a certain amount of time and repeatable to obtain with less effort.

300 hours+!?
If someone was to sell ulu2 leech for 300 hours and make a good 100m/hour that'd be 30b, certainly more stats/att gear could be bought with this amount of mesos. Not to mention that people who are lvl 200 and pretty much have nothing to do anyways will have a new goal to aim for. It would feel like those last 2 attack are a fine polish. Though i'd love if NX Medal Covers were introduced as i like the purple color of the lvl 200 medal. Im sure people would form Dojo Squads again more often and farm the hell out of it.

Regarding Carney's argument making it "unfair" for low levels who invest time to get the quest specialist medal. I don't think it's unfair as they choose to invest time for a medal which suits their level better than getting a medal for which they'd probably need 3000+ hours if they were to try to get the dojo medal at an early level range. It's like you're saying that "low level" players who are able to beat Zakum aren't treated fair because they can't beat Horntail yet.

Again making this a good 300b mesos, im sure they'd choose to do something more efficient with these 3000 hours instead of getting 2 more weapon attack.

Edit: if they invest a couple of more hours into their Archmages / Bishops making them able to 1 hit Petris / Skeles they can make a good 200m/hour , making this 600b respectively.
600b vs 2wa time investment

 

I think expirng medals are fine, but maybe the amount of kills per boss should be adjusted.
Have the kill requirments increase with each subsequent medal.
Starting with 10 at round 1-5 bosses
Then 20 with 6-10 bosses
At a certain point the grow will become more exponential until pap and the last boss both require 100 kills each.
Basically, offload the need to grind the lower bosses so many times, and make the medals exponentially harder to match their worth instead.

 

I just got the mano vanquisher medal ;-; is it possible to make all the medals prior to the last medal permanent

 

Make it expire in 30 days but buyable after expiration for 100m?

 

I feel the same as you.
It's not worth for the 90-day useless medal and the 2b reward.
Go for it if you need tons of black belts to scroll.

Sorry, I'm a little closer to this final medal.
However, I'm not planning to finish it before any useful conclusion is made.

 

nerco-ing this thread...

as new content came out after the release of dojo (Auf / VL) the powercreep of items is increasing, yes it does require tons of investments but still a new celling to hit in terms of stats.

would the idea of making the dojo vanquisher medal permanent be up for debate once again?

in my honest opinion, doing dojo for such a large amount of times warrens the 5 wa medal to be permanent.