How do you feel about the nerf to summon farming?

if i'm actively grinding on a high spawn map for event etc, why am i punished for using my 4th job skill?

seems like a lazy fix for 1 specific item from 1 specific map

 

My love of the server went away after new source was released and I lost interest in it entirely half a year ago and scarcely thought about it once in that time, so the update really doesn't make me feel sad or anything. I have to say though, I made an insane amount of meso from it and finished all my goals in the game thanks to it, so I can say for sure it was insanely broken. Making 800m daily minimum from ~5 hours of playtime is nuts, and on tryhard days of farming with 1b net income (even up to 2b with the Red Envelope event), yeah, the nerf was coming haha.

 

People will realize they sell at a loss, and sell stuff in ht for higher, if anyone gets hurt by this its the buyer at the end of that chain

 

Bitches be lazy 'round here. Learn to press the pick up button, mates

 

The whole summon farming thing is an extremely stupid game mechanic and the only mistake here is that it was even possible in the first place.
Having never done it myself, I don't mind it going away. But I can see why some people will frown upon the fact that many old players had a source of wealth, which is not available to players from now on.
I voted yes.

 

I think a lot of players, including myself and the ones who took advantage of summon farming would agree that it is just stupid gameplay, evidently from the votes casted.

But much of the frustration lies in the change without notice. Yea players have been raising their concerns about this since long ago, yes the Staff receive countless reports of botting in voodoos (I've sent a couple too) but the voices, concerns and frustration from the players for the longest time was never at all centralised.

There are threads about HP washing and they were obvious. It was and is still a hot topic. Any thread with regards to HP washing always invite a lot of comments and feedback from the forum users. Staff and veterans had inputs in some of those threads and therefore you could tell it was quite centralised.

The threads on class buffing/nerfing are blatantly smacked at the top for all to see as their title suggests in the pinned threads of the Feedback section. The Staff took their time and some of which are more than a month old. Those are clearly and obviously centralised.

As for something like this change, it never stood a chance in receiving inputs from the players. It would be so so so much better of players got to say something and get shot down or supported by the Staff rather than us having no say at all. Why are the Staff refusing to start a thread, just like class or pq changes, or tap on to an existing thread started by a player and build from there? Mind you, the latest thread on stopper farming is not about looting, it's about multi clienting and taking up multiple channels. The recent change focuses more on semi afk farming. So that's a different message it's trying to send.

The server is surviving partly and significantly because of the players. The game should be modelled to what the players AND the Staff think is best. Not modelled by only the Staff and only to prove that they are right afterwards.

 

The argument for there not being any prior notice/hint for a change like this doesn’t hold much ground, especially if you agree it’s dumb gameplay.

The only let down here should be that this change didn’t come sooner, before so many have invested and come to rely on this source of income.

Treat this backlash as ripping off a bandaid - hurts a fuck ton, but healthier for the server in the long run.

 

I support the new change.

My stand is that people should play the game the way it was meant to be played.

And by that I mean the good old days where people weren't multi-clienting (more like they couldn't), using mules for buffs or afk summon farming.

This is a good step in that direction.

 

We sell 200m

Spoiler

 

small apologize
I support the new change yea,but
mine support it's for combating that semi-afk/multiclient(bot looking like) farming
after talking with few archers and farming myself pigs activly as bishop
i came to small issue where my pet could not loot things that my bahamut killed
and i had to manual loot that + other things that i normaly have item pet ignored

we lose something we get something i guss =[
i was thinking like
if pet's can get timer so if the person don't show any activty for 10sec auto loot off
if after 1min still not actity pet off

 

Is it worth considering maybe reducing the summon time? Reducing the summon time forces players to be more active than the current summon time. So instead of 160+ seconds, is making it about 80 seconds possible? Not sure if this was suggested before.

 

maybe try sp resetting ur summon

 

Excessive multiclienting is the issue, not the farmers. People hosting 3 man cwkpq, hogging lots of bosses using mules, bringing all sorts of mules to boss runs, doing lpq or kpq by themselves etc.

I always thought it was better to restrict multi clienting to 2 to 4 than to nerf all the farmers.

Personally i just started farming with my bm at lepre, and its discouraging to know that i can no longer do casual farming while busy with other things (e.g. Studying, movie). Manual looting means i have to always be looking at my screen.

Besides there is no other source of stable incoome other than voting or selling leech if have mage, or grind at ulu.

 

@sids where is your mage

 

i've usually farmed heartstoppers for personal use only (no intent to distribute) with 1 client while doing something else outside the game, and i come back every 2-3 minutes to rebuff and keep mapowner with an attack so having to also walk across a (small) map holding the loot key for a couple of seconds isn't a big deal to me.

 

Have you guys maybe read the patch notes on why this change was made. . ?



You're welcome.

 

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't support this change. Feels like its punishing legit players because of an increased amount of botters/ multiclients hogging the channels. I don't like the people who take up all the channels with tons of accounts either. But I think using one account, watching the screen in your peripheral vision, and rebuffing manually every 2-3min while making sure map owner is yours should be fine. There aren't many ways to get decent attack pots and to the people suggesting PQ's become the main supply I just really don't think the two are comparable. This server isn't big enough for that to be a steady way of obtaining them like farming on your own terms is.

 

You can pretty much still do that now, just have to loot everything when you recast. So it's slightly less effective than it was before, but still works. It only becomes a problem if you're trying to do it on a ridiculous number of clients, or while almost completely afk (like while bossing, or leeching on another client...something like that)